Member of UK Parliament Resigns After Saying Israel Should Be 'Relocated' to the US; in 2000, Nick Rockefeller Suggested the Same Thing to Aaron Russo

"He [Nick Rockefeller] even mentioned to me once that they were having a real problem trying to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem. And he talked to me once about [that] they were playing with the idea of bringing Israel to Arizona, and taking all the people from Israel and giving everybody a million dollars and setting up Israel in the State of Arizona to end that problem. That's a problem that they're not in charge of, in a sense. They're not controlling that problem." - Aaron Russo on His Conversations with Nick Rockefeller About the the Council on Foreign Relations and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (first 41 seconds of the video above; full transcript is at the end of this blog post).

Labour MP Naz Shah has resigned after saying Israel should be 'relocated' to the US

April 26, 2016

IB Times UK - Labour MP Naz Shah has resigned from the post of aide to the shadow chancellor after it emerged she had shared a post suggesting Israel should be "relocated" to the US.

The Bradford West MP had earlier apologised for the post, which she made in 2014 prior to winning George Galloway's seat in the 2015 election, and said in a statement that she was sorry for any offence caused.

She had shared a post on Facebook that suggested moving Middle Eastern Jewish people to the US, stating: 

"The transportation costs would be less than three years of defence spending," to which Shah added "problem solved".

The MP also offered to contact Barack Obama and share the post, which said it had the 'solution' to the Middle East conflict.

 
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The post appeared on Shah's Facebook page.

But after her controversial comments were shared by political blogger Guido Fawkes and a subsequent backlash, Shah announced she had quit her role working for shadow chancellor John McDonnell.


She said in a statement:

"I made these posts at the height of the Gaza conflict in 2014, when emotions were running high around the Middle East conflict.

"But that is no excuse for the offence I have given, for which I unreservedly apologise.

"In recognition of that offence I have stepped down from my role as PPS to the shadow chancellor John McDonnell.

"I will be seeking to expand my existing engagement and dialogue with Jewish community organisations, and will be stepping up my efforts to combat all forms of racism, including anti-Semitism."

Shah's comments were denounced by many as anti-Semitic, with Guido Fawkes pointing out the Labour Party had dismissed people for less. Indeed, in an attempt to rid the party of anti-Semitism, several members have been let go in recent weeks.

A spokesperson for the Board of Deputies of British Jews said: "Naz Shah's comments about relocating Israelis to the United States are simply appalling. She has since apologised and stepped down as John McDonnell's Parliamentary Private Secretary.

"The Board of Deputies of British Jews has sought an urgent meeting for clarification of her views on Israel and the UK Jewish community."

Aaron Russo: Reflections and Warnings — Full Transcript

This is a transcript of the 2006 interview seen here (Aaron died from cancer on August 24, 2007):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

Alex Jones:

Award-winning film-maker, turned freedom fighter, Aaron Russo was an amazing individual. He'd been battling cancer for more than three-and-half years when he began making America: Freedom to Fascism[1] — that he shot, directed, edited, pretty much on his own, with the help of just a few people. An amazing individual, a long life of award-winning films, of hard work, and of standing up for The Bill of Rights and Constitution.

You know, when we first went and shot this interview, I put it out on the web for free, but parts of it have never been seen. So here today you're going to have a chance to see the in-depth interview — the final interview with Aaron Russo.

But his important work lives on. You know he made one of the definitive films exposing the elite that control this nation and the world — the private Federal Reserve. And the information he put out two years ago [in 2006], rings more true today than ever. And his films, America: Freedom to Fascism, and Mad as Hell,[2] and the other great works he did just continue, like ripples in a pond, to light bush-fires in the minds of men and women everywhere.

So this film is dedicated, to the one the only, Aaron Russo.

* * *

Aaron Russo:

You rolling? I'm honored to be interviewed by Alex Jones — a truth-seeker, fighting for justice and — [AJ: He's charming me! He's getting me all smiling.]

AJ:

Aaron, when did you first start to think that something was wrong in the world? Or start to find out about the whole banking cartel and the Federal Reserve System? — the New World Order?

AR:

Well, that was a progression of events — I've always been a very independent person, always believed in individuality, and that we were put on this Earth to be unique individuals, to fulfill our God-given potential — and that the only way to fulfill your potential is to be free, find out who you are, and to make your errors and mistakes. And as I grew up, I began to realize more and more that the government was inhibiting me in things I wanted to do.

And what happened — I was very successful in the lady's lingerie business, I worked for my dad, he had a small under-garment business — and I created the first lady's bikini panties back in 1963, actually.

And then I opened up a nightclub in Chicago, called The Electric Theater, that opened up the day Martin Luther King was assassinated. And so the city of Chicago was in flames the day my club opened, and nobody came out to the club.

And what happened — well — that was the year of the Democratic Convention in Chicago in '68. And so my club became a hangout for the hippies, because they wanted to go to Chicago and protest what was going on. And I was having a concert at my club one night, to raise money, and the police raided the nightclub — my club — for no reason at all.

And I was standing outside in my office over-looking the street, and I saw all these paddy-wagons pulling up to my club. And I was a 24 year old kid, I had no experience at all, really. Said: "What are these paddy-wagons doing here?" And then I saw all of these cops getting out of the paddy-wagons coming into the club. Said: "Oh my God! They're raiding me!"

And so I ran down to the stage and I got on the stage and I stopped the band from playing and I said to the people in the audience: "We're being raided! So, sit down on the floor, co-operate — you know — and pull out your identification, and co-operate with the police." And as I said that, two of the cops from behind threw me onto the floor, and grabbed me, and started dragging me out of the club. And I'm going: [two fingers "V"] "Victory! Victory!" — and I'm playing it for all it was worth at the time. I was a kid.

And then I saw the fire department there, and the fire department was dumping garbage cans — the garbage — all over the floor. And I thought to myself: Why are they doing that? — very quickly as they were dragging me out. And I didn't quite understand it.

So they threw me into the paddy-wagon, as I got to the paddy-wagon one of the cops grabbed my testicles from behind, and squeezed, and I went into the paddy-wagon in gigantic pain. And the next person that came into the paddy-wagon, as he was stepping in, the cops took their billy club and smashed him on the head with it, and just split his skull. For no reason. I mean, there was nothing wrong.

AJ:

That was kind of your awakening?

AR:

That was my awakening! What is going on? I thought this was America!

So I initially blamed it on Chicago, on Mayor Daley, thinking it was just Chicago. And anyway I went on — it was the headlines of the newspapers the next day. There was my picture in the newspapers. The headline's "The Electric Theater Short-Circuited". It was "raided". And in the article, they went ahead and they said that the reason they raided the club is that the fire department came there and saw it was messy, full of garbage, and the hippies started attacking them. Which was totally not true — [laughter; AJ: "Those dirty hippies."] — it was totally false. It was a complete fabrication.

AJ:

So they ran a false flag on you?

AR:

Yeah. Of course, you know?

And I was in shock. I said: People lie like that? People actually do these things? I couldn't believe it. It was an awakening for me. And I went on television, I told people on television that they lied — nobody cared! Nobody cared what the truth was. And it was shocking to me. And then a week — or two weeks later, I forget exactly what it was — two cops come to see me, a captain and a sergeant, and they said "Mr. Russo, we're sorry if you got hurt at the club that night in the raid, but we're here to tell you that if you want to keep the club open, it's going to take two thousand dollars a month, and we're going to come see you once a month, and whenever we have to raid you, we're going to call you, and we'll let you know we're going to come in tonight, and raid you. [AJ: "This was mafia."] Well, the police mafia.

And actually — it was actually more interesting than that — they said "Listen, there's the A Plan, there's the B Plan, and there's the Super Deluxe Plan," and each one will cost you that much money a month. "Which one do you want?"

AJ:

What was the Super Deluxe?

AR:

That was the one I took. That was the two-thousand-a-month plan. And I took that plan, and I paid them $2000 a month, and they left me alone. And whenever they were going to raid the club they would call in "We going to have a phony raid tonight, just to look good for the people in the neighborhood." You know?

AJ:

So that was your first big education?

AR:

That was my education into corruption in government. But I really thought that was basically Chicago. I didn't realize it was the whole country that was like that. And so that was my wake-up call that people lie and cheat and steal — because I thought everybody was always honest and nice and decent. And I had no idea about any of these things.

Finally, what happened for me was, one day they came to me and said "Look. We can't take your money any more." I said: Why? What's up? What's going on? They said "We have to close your club; there's elections coming, and the aldermen in the neighborhood don't want you open any more. So, we can't take your money."

So I had to go to court and fight them, and they were trying to close the club. And then one night there was a fire and the club never re-opened again — the club just closed and that was the end of the club. And they burned me down. And that was the end of my experience.

And then I moved back to New York, where I met Bette Midler.

And I ran into her in a little nightclub she was playing called The Improv, and I thought she was fabulous, and through a series of events, I began managing her. And as soon I started managing her, her career took off like a rocket.

Just fortuitous, I guess.

And we became very, very successful. And through managing Bette, I started producing shows on Broadway, where I won the Tony. And I produced a television show, where I won the Emmy, with Dustin Hoffman and Bette.

And then I produced The Rose for her, where she got Academy Award nominations. And then that led me to producing Trading Places, which everybody knows. [AJ: "I think it's the best Eddie Murphy movie."]. Well, it's a good one, I don't know if it's the best, but it's a really good one, and I'm very proud I made that movie.

And so in my mind, I feel as if I've made a classic comedy in Trading Places, a classic musical in The Rose, and a classic documentary in Freedom to Fascism. So I'm very proud of my work that I've done as a film-maker.[3]

* * *

AJ:

Aaron, why do you do this? What's the philosophy of your life? What do you think life's all about?

AR:

I think the importance of life is to like yourself. If you don't like yourself, nothing means anything. To like yourself means you have to respect yourself. If you respect yourself it means you have to take actions that you'd respect if somebody else did them.

And what's the point of living if you don't like who you are? You can have all the money in the world, and if you look in the mirror and you don't like what you see there, what's the point of it?

So to me the most important thing is that I like who I am, and that I take actions that I would respect if somebody else did them. And you live a life of character, honesty, truthfulness.

And I believe that a person has the ability to mold their character like a sculptor molds a piece of clay. There's an old saying that "a leopard never changes its spots" — I don't believe that. I believe people have the total ability to mold their character into what they choose to be in their life, what their ideals are. And that's what I try to do with my life. I am not the same person today as I was thirty years ago. I've changed a lot. Because I wanted to be something better than I was before. And my philosophy is that you have to like yourself, you have to be a decent person, with character and integrity and honor. And that's what's important.

* * *

Back in the late eighties I was a pretty big silver trader. And gold trader. And I don't think I've ever told this story on tape before. I was a pretty big silver and gold trader, and — and I always paid my taxes — and I took what was a legal tax deduction on my silver trades. And a few years later, I think it was '88 or '89 or something, the IRS claimed that what I did — and other people did as well — was now illegal. We couldn't do it anymore. But they made it retroactive.[4]

Said: "What do you mean retroactive? It was legal then; I did what was legal." Says: "Yeah, but now we're making it illegal, retroactively. So you owe us $600,000 or $800,000."

For what!? It was legal! How could you make something retroactive? Change the law backwards in time? It makes no sense. "Well, we're doing it." And so everybody said "They can't do that!" So we went to court. A class action lawsuit. And the judge agreed with the IRS, and said they could do it retroactively.

And that's when I knew something was wrong in America, with the IRS and the system here.

AJ:

Aaron, you were telling me this story last night, and before you even finished saying "in the late eighties" and "tax law" I said "Retroactive!" And I knew that because they literally ruined my dad. But he paid. He didn't know. He still thought this was America.

And it was legal tax law, what you're supposed to do. And they said retroactively you owe — and not just retroactive, but they also said you owe penalties and interest. [AR: "That's right."] So how do you have penalties and interest on something, when they retroactively changed the law?

AR:

Well. First of all they can't retroactively — how can you do anything retroactively? Penalties and interests are a farce! The whole thing! — Because they do whatever they want to do!

And that's when I realized America is not America. It's not the land that I was taught it was. Because they can do whatever they wish to do. And there's nothing the citizen can do about it.

AJ:

Now you've made America: Freedom to Fascism, and I want to walk through that film, and I want to encourage everybody out there to get a copy on DVD. It was also in theaters around the country — and I think the best film out there on the Federal Reserve and the IRS and the whole bankers' scam — and I want to discuss that with you here.

But I wanted to go back a little bit, to the point that we discussed last night where you don't advise people to not pay. And I do the same thing, people said "Well, wait, you're saying it's a scam but you're saying go ahead and pay it," and I liked the way you summed it up.

AR:

Well, it's really fairly simple. Since making that movie, many people have come to me and asked should they pay their income taxes or not? And I never advised people not to pay.

And the reason I tell them — I said: Look. I've done a lot of research. The Supreme Court has ruled that the IRS has no authority. The Sixteenth Amendment did not give the IRS the authority to tax your labor and your wages. That's a fact.[5] The Supreme Court is the law of the land, and the IRS does not trump the Supreme Court.

However, that being the case, the fact is if the mafia would come to you and say "We want $2000 a month or we're going to hurt you..." I would not advise you not to pay them. Because you may get hurt by not paying them. Whether it's legal or not doesn't necessarily matter. You're gonna get hurt if you don't.

It's the same thing with the IRS. They can hurt you. They can put you in jail. They can torture you. So if you don't pay them, you may get hurt. So I never advise people not to pay. I tell people "Yeah, pay your taxes."

AJ:

Look what happened to Congressman Hansen.

AR:

Yeah, Congressman Hansen's a great example. Pay your taxes.

But you know what? Shut down the Federal Reserve System, and eventually you won't have to pay those taxes anymore.

See, the IRS is a symptom of the problem. The real problem is the banking industry and the bankers in this country. That's where the real problem lies, that's the root of our problem. That's why we've lost America.

So, yeah, pay your taxes. Because if you don't pay them, you might get hurt.

And I've heard all the arguments, what tax protesters say, and so on and so forth. And I don't call them tax protesters, I call them the tax honesty movement, because they're being honest, at least.

But the fact of the matter is you're being forced, you're being compelled to pay it, because you're facing jail sentences, you're facing time. You're facing corruption of the courts if you don't pay. And so you pay it. Just like you'd pay the mafia. But with the mafia, at least you have the government to call on and try to help you, to get past the mafia, to protect you. Here you have nobody to protect you.

The American people are living in a "Matrix". They don't understand the truth of how things are working in this country.

And let me give you an example of what I'm talking about. The very fact is that if you ask one hundred people on the street: "What kind of government is America supposed to be?" 99 percent of them will tell you "A democracy. America is supposed to be a democracy."

But that's a lie! That's an illusion. The word "democracy" is not written into the Constitution one time, it's not in the Bill of Rights, it's not in the Declaration of Independence. The Founding Fathers hated the idea of a democracy. They thought it was the worst form of government there is, and I agree with them, because in a democracy 51 percent of the people control 49 percent of the people. If you're part of the 49% you're not free!

America was founded as a Constitutional Republic. And in that Constitutional Republic that we have, 99 percent of the people can't take away the rights of one percent! You have your rights because you were born with them. You have God-given, human rights — that nobody can take away from you — the government, the majority, no matter who they are — I can't take away your rights! And that's what our Founding Fathers gave us.[6]

But the psychological operations that they do to us make us believe that we're a democracy, and that majority rules. And they want you to believe that, because then they tell you this poll says this many want this, and this many want that, and this many want this — and it doesn't have to do with anything!

AJ:

Oh, Hitler was elected. [AR: "Hitler was elected, Hitler did everything legally."] And in a Constitutional Republic, a minority is protected against a majority — wasn't it Benjamin Franklin who, paraphrased, had said "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner"?[7]

AR:

Exactly. And he also said that in a Republic, the sheep would have a gun. [Laughter.] To protect himself. And that's the truth. America is not a democracy. But you ask the most intelligent people what form of government America is supposed to be, they'll say "democracy" — they've been brain-washed. They've been psy-op'd into believing that.

They believe that we're in Iraq to promote democracy. The word democracy — you hear George Bush saying "democracy means freedom." No. Democracy equals new world order. Democracy equals slavery. The word democracy is not synonymous with freedom. It's the opposite of freedom.

Democracy is the worst form of government you can have, because it's majority rule. And the government can tell you exactly what they want you to do, because the majority wants it.

I don't care what the majority wants. I live my life as I choose. And if I don't commit violence, theft, or fraud on another human being, I can live my life as I wish. That's my choice. And I'm allowed to make mistakes. Because when you make mistakes you learn from them. You grow as a human being. We're put on this earth to become the best individuals we can be, to fulfill our God-given potential. We're not put here on this Earth so the government can tell us how to live our lives, and what we must do. "We put it these systems and these paradigms."

No! Same thing in health. If you're sick, you have to have a certain protocol. Nonsense! Be individuals, think for yourself. Have critical thinking.

And so what's happened is they've taught everybody we're a democracy, which is not true.

So then in 1913 they bring the Federal Reserve System into being. Now they have this Federal Reserve System which in 1913 got the right to create money for the government, when before that the government could create its own money.[8] Now the government, when it needed money, had to borrow from this private bank called the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank, owned by individuals, incorporated in Delaware.[9]

And so what happens is, now the government borrows money from them, to fund the government, then the government says "Well, we have to pay these people interest. How are we going to pay them interest? Let's impose a tax on the labor of the American people—" which never existed before "—to pay the interest to the bankers."[10]

AJ:

In fact in 1980 Ronald Reagan said not one red cent of your income tax money goes to run the country, it all goes to the Federal Reserve.

AR:

Well, it was the Grace Commission Report that said that "not one nickel goes to the infrastructure of the country."[11] [AJ: "I guess Reagan quoted that then."] Right. But the point I'm trying to make is that by creating this Federal Reserve System, the government now became dependent on these private banks for money. And they started taxing us.

And so now what happens is, in 1935 Social Security started, and they gave you these Social Security cards, said "not to be used for identification". Social Security number, right on the card. And through Social Security, they started deducting money out of your paycheck. That was the first time they were ever to take money out of your paycheck. Of course, people agreed to it because they thought it was going to their retirement fund.

And so then when they instituted the income tax again, they start taking money out of your paycheck, because Social Security could do it. And then they could do it again. You see what I'm saying?

AJ:

And so now they've even taken control of the tax payment itself, really like you're a slave, taking it right there when you make it. [AR: "Exactly."] They don't even trust public enough to go and mail it in themselves.

AR:

So they take it out automatically, because they know people aren't going to want to pay it. So what's happened is that through the implementation of the Federal Reserve System, the government has become vested in these bankers, and they get their money from the bankers, and so then they impose a tax on us, which makes us more slaves, and makes it more difficult for us to survive. Right? Giving them more profits.

And now what's happened is that through the Federal Reserve System the bankers have pretty much taken control of our government, it doesn't matter Republican and Democrat anymore, because they're both the same. Neither one of them are talking about shutting down the Federal Reserve System, or stopping the payment of taxes, or any of the big issues that face Americans.

So I had a friend, Nick Rockefeller, who was one of the Rockefeller family. And he — when I was running for governor in Nevada, he came to me, introduced himself through an attorney, and we became friends. We started talking about things. And... I learned an awful lot from Mr. Rockefeller.

And one of the things that we used to talk about was the ultimate plan of the banking industry — what they wanted to accomplish. And the goals of the banking industry — not just the Federal Reserve System but the private banks in Germany, and England, all over Italy, all over the world — they all work together, they're all central banks.

And they're all a part of the Communist Manifesto. Central banking is one of the major planks of the Communist Manifesto. You talk about America being a capitalistic country, but yet at the same time we have a central bank that plans everything for us. And the graduated income tax is another plank of the Communist Manifesto. So right there you have two major planks of the Communist Manifesto that have been brought in because of the Federal Reserve System.[12]

And so, the ultimate goal that these people have in mind is the goal to create a one-world government, run by the banking industry. Run by the bankers.

And they're doing it in sections — the European currency, the euro, and the European Constitution. There's one part of it. Now they're trying to do it in America with the North American Union. And they want to create a new currency called the "amero".[13]

And the whole agenda is to create a one-world government where everybody has an RFID chip implanted in them. All money is to be in those chips — there'll be no more cash.

And this is given me straight from Rockefeller himself; this is what they want to accomplish.

And all money will be in your chips. And so, instead of having cash, any time you have money in your chip, they can take out whatever they want to take out whenever they want to. If they say "you owe us this much money in taxes," they just deduct it out of your chip, digitally.

[AJ: "Total control."] Total control. And, if you're like me or you, and you're protesting what they're doing, they can just turn off your chip. And you have nothing. You can't buy food. You can't do anything. It's total control of the people.

AJ:

And that chip's connected to a database that has your purchasing records, what you do—

AR:

Everything! Everything is in there.

And so, they want a one-world government, controlled by them, everybody being chipped, all your money in those chips, and they control the chips! And they control people — and you become a slave, you become a serf to these people. That's their goal, that's their intentions.

AJ:

Aaron, can you be specific about when you met Rockefeller, how it happened in these discussions?

AR:

I met Rockefeller through a female attorney I knew, who called me up one day and said "One of the Rockefellers would like to meet you."

I had made a video, called Mad as Hell, and he'd seen the video and wanted to meet me. And knew I was running for governor of Nevada [this was in 1998].

Said, sure, I'd love to meet him. And I met him, and I liked him. And he was a very, very smart man.

And we used to talk and share ideas and thoughts, and he's the one who told me eleven months before 9/11 ever happened that there was "going to be an event" — never told me what the event was going to be — but there was going to be an event, and out of that event we were going to invade Afghanistan to run pipelines from the Caspian Sea, we were going to invade Iraq, to take over the oil fields, establish a base in the Middle East, and make it all part of the New World Order, and we would go after Chavez in Venezuela.

And sure enough, later, 9/11 happened.

And I remember how he was telling me how we were going to see soldiers looking in caves, for people in Afghanistan and Pakistan and all these places, and there's going to be this "war on terror" in which there's no real enemy and the whole thing is a giant hoax, but it's a way for the government to take over the American people—

AJ:

He told you it was going to be a hoax?

AR:

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There's no question. Said: "There's going to be a War on Terror," and he's laughing — "Who are we fighting?"

I mean why do you think 9/11 happened, and then nothing's happened since then? Do you think that our security is so great here that these people who pulled off 9/11 — can't knock down another plane? Come on, it's ridiculous.

9/11 was done by people in our own government and our own banking system to perpetuate the fear of the American people into subordinating themselves to anything the government wants them to do. That's what it's about — and to create this endless War on Terror.

And that was the first lie. And the next lie was going into Iraq, to get Saddam Hussein out with his "weapons of mass destruction" — that was the next lie.

AJ:

Now, specifically, this was a little over six years ago? Eleven months before 9/11? And Nick Rockefeller, who's a lawyer, he's become your friend over the previous years, and he's saying to you that there's going to be this "big event" and then out of that we're going to have a "War on Terror" and it's just going to go on and on? [AR: "Right. An endless War on Terror, without any real enemy. So you can never define a winner."] And did he say it's going to be perfect because you can't find an enemy and it just goes on and on?

AR:

Yeah, he says "because you can't define a winner."  There's no one to beat, so it goes on and on and on forever. And they can do whatever they want and they scare the hell out of the American public.

Look, this whole War on Terror is a fraud. It's a farce. It's very difficult to say it out loud, because people are intimidated against saying it. Because if you say it, they want to make you into a nutcase. But the truth has to come out. That's why I'm doing this interview.

The fact of the matter happens to be that the whole War on Terror is a fraud — it's a farce. Yeah there's a war going on in Iraq, because we invaded Iraq, and people are over there fighting. But the War on Terror? It's a joke!

And until we discover what really happened on 9/11, and who is responsible for 9/11 — because that's where the War on Terror emanates from. That's where it comes from. It was 9/11 that allowed this War on Terror to begin. And until we get to the bottom root of 9/11, the truth of 9/11, we'll never know about the War on Terror.

AJ:

Aaron, you said that he was — and I think it's important, and I know this about the Rockefellers from Dr. Dennis Cuddy and others who literally — you'll be 20 years old at a lunch-line in college, and "here's David Rockefeller"[17] — they're experts at recruiting and getting what they call "players", and that clearly he was — I want to make it specific and just get you to re-iterate what you said last night about you got 30 percent of the vote, you were having an effect, you'd made Mad as Hell, they knew that you'd started the Constitution Party. They knew that you were somebody who was taking action and getting things done. You'd already made some big films, had a lot of other successes, so they were trying to recruit you. And didn't it come down to the point of "Hey, we are here to recruit you, and don't worry, your chip's gonna say 'Don't mess with us,' this guy's 'Don't touch.'"

AR:

Yes, that did happen. I was definitely being recruited, but it's more subtle than that.

AJ:

Well, in your words, just go through the process.

AR:

Well, what it is — remember we were friends. He used to come to my house a lot, we would have dinner, we'd talk. He'd tell me about business investments, how you get involved in. Or they would help me with this business investment, or that business investment.

And: "Was I interested in joining the Council on Foreign Relations?" I would have to get a letter to join them, and was I interested in that?

And just — stuff, you know? Leading you on.

And I used to say to him that I never really did that because that wasn't where I was coming from. As much as I like you, Nick, your way isn't my way, we're on the opposite side of the fence. I don't believe in enslaving people.

AJ:

And he would come back with, what? "Oh, I do!"? "It's better for them!"?

AR:

It's more like... how do I put it? It was like:

"What do you care about them? What do you care about those people? What difference does it make to you?

"Take care of your own life. Do the best you can for you and your family. What do the rest of the people mean to you? They don't mean anything to you. They're just serfs, they're just people."

It was just a lack of caring. And that's just not who I was.

It was just sort of cold, you know?

And I used to say to him: What's the point of all this? You have all the money in the world that you need. You have all the power need. What's the point? What's the end goal?

And he said that the end goal was to get everybody chipped. To control the whole society. To have the bankers, the elite people — the bankers and some government controlling the world.

And I said: Do all the people in the Council on Foreign Relations believe this way you do?

He said "No, no, no. Most of them believe they're doing the right thing. A lot of people believe it's better off being socialistic. We have to convince people that socialism is really capitalism."

Why are you fighting for the people for? What is that about? The people just have to be ruled. They have to be — the Constitution that you're standing for is only for a few people. It's only a few individuals that can live that way. And we believe that it's best for society to be ruled by an elite people who control everything.

And I said I don't believe that. I believe God put me on this Earth to be the best person I could be, and put everybody on this Earth to be the best they could be. Not to be a slave and a sheep to you and these people. And I don't understand why you want to control everything. What is the need for that?

And I asked him: Do all the people in the Council on Foreign Relations feel the same way you feel? Said: "No a lot of them think they're doing the right thing. They think that socialism is the best way to go. They think that they're doing the right thing." But the people at the top they all know the truth of what's happening, and that's what it is.

And so America is becoming a socialist country, it's a communist country today.

Well, one of the things he told me was that — he was at the house one night and we were talking and he started laughing, he said:

"Aaron, what do you think 'women's liberation' was about?"

And I said — I had pretty conventional thinking about it at that point — I said I think it's about women having the right to work, getting equal pay with men, just like they won the right to vote.

And he started to laugh and he said: "You're an idiot."

And I said: Why am I an idiot?

He said: "Let me tell you what that was about. We, the Rockefellers, funded that. We funded Women's Lib. And we're the ones who got it all over the newspapers and televisions — The Rockefeller Foundation."

And he says: "You want to know why? There were two primary reasons." And one reason was: we couldn't tax half the population, before Women's Lib. And the second reason was: now we get the kids in school at an early age. We can indoctrinate the kids how to think. So that it breaks up the family. Your kids start looking at the state as the family. As the school, as the officials as their family, not as the parents teaching them.

And so, those are the two primary reasons for Women's Lib, which I thought up to that point was a noble thing. When I saw their intentions behind it, where they were coming from when they created it, the thought of it, I saw the evil behind what I thought was a noble venture.

AJ:

Aaron, did you know that Gloria Steinem, in one of her own books, now admits that the CIA funded Ms. magazine?[19]

AJ:

Funded Ms. magazine — with the stated goal of taxing women and breaking up the family.

AR:

No kidding, I never heard that. Well, Nick told me, I mean: I know it. But didn't know the CIA was involved with it.

AJ:

Well, she was proud of it: "Oh, the CIA wanted to help me help women." And so they funded it. And of course it's divide-and-conquer. What they do is they focus in on a real problem — women were getting shafted in many ways — but the elite wasn't planning to help them, they were planning to really shaft them and take men away from them — look at what they did with black families. You only had about ten percent illegitimacy 50 years ago, in black communities, and now it's over 90 percent. And look at welfare: "We're going to give you some money, but you can't have a man in the house." And so that was further to degrade the family. Totally destroyed. And now illegitimacy's over 50 percent in the general population.

AR:

Well, see the whole thing is that these people control the money, so they make all the rules. You understand? And they put whatever the rules they want into effect. And the truth is America has really become a socialistic, communistic country. And everybody says its a capitalistic country, it's not a capitalistic country. How can it be capitalistic when you have a central bank? That's first — it can't be! [AJ: "It's a planned economy."] It's a planned economy, it's a phony! If they want to create prosperity, they just print dollars, they just make dollars, or put digits into the economy. And then now you have prosperity. You don't have real prosperity, you don't have real manufacturing, you just have money being injected in, it's an infusion of credit.

AJ:

Which only makes the government go into more debt. [AR: "Into more debt."]

* * *

AR:

The Federal Reserve is poison to our country. Of course it is. It's poison. Whoever makes the money makes the rules. Rothschild said that. And they make the money! Why are we allowing these private bankers to make the money for our country? It makes no sense! Why are we paying interest to these banks, to make make money for us, when the government can do it itself without paying interest? And without all that debt. There's no answer to that question and it's the question no politician will raise. Everybody talks about "America's debt" — how much debt we're in — we're in debt because we have to borrow money, and we don't have to borrow money. [AJ: "They designed it so we go into debt."] Exactly. We can create the money and back it by gold so they can't create too much of it, so you don't have the inflation, and do what the founding fathers gave us. But instead, the bankers make the money, they control the government, they buy the politicians, they tell us who gets into office — they have computer voting, that's a fraud. They do whatever they want to do to us. They do whatever they want to do to us. And it has to stop.

* * *

AR:

My friendship with Nick Rockefeller was one way we expressed ideas to each other and thoughts and philosophies. And he wanted me to become a part of what they were doing, and for me to become a member of the CFR, and offered various business opportunities for me to get involved in. And for me to not take up the fight or the battle that I had been taking up in the past. To drop that idea, because: what was the point of my fighting for the people?

I was a guy who was very successful in the movie business and I saw the truth of what was happening, I tried to express it to the people, and rather than having me express it to the people, they wanted me to join their side because I was a mover and a shaker, and rather than me opposing them, to join them. It was real simple. And he tried to recruit me into that situation, and I didn't go for it.

AJ:

Did he get angry when you didn't go for it?

AR:

No, no. And I remember one time he said to me: "You join us, so you have an ID card, Aaron, you have a chip. And your chip will say 'KMA' on it," and I say: What does "KMA" mean? He says: "It means kiss my ass, and anybody stops you, a cop or whatever, and you show them your card or your chip, and they'll know to leave you alone. Because you're one of us."

* * *

AJ:

One of the central pillars of tyranny is that the establishment is exempt from the laws that they pass for the rest of us. We saw it in Rome, we saw it with Hitler. We saw it with Richard Nixon saying "Look, I'm the President, if I break the law it's not illegal." We saw George Bush and Dick Cheney say that. We see Barack Obama continuing that, saying "I'm not going to give detainees real trials. I'm going to give them secret kangaroo military commissions trials, and we're going to hold them in secret camps. And I've got Executive Privilege." And it's the same thing over and over again.

And one example of hundreds that are out there was a story back in April of 2008 out of the Orange County Register. And this backs up exactly what Aaron's talking about with Mr. Rockefeller saying "I got a chip in my hand, kiss my ass." Here's just one example of hundreds: "Special license plates shield officials from traffic tickets."[20] And it goes on to say that 996,000-plus vehicles in California are exempt from no insurance, reckless driving, speeding, running through toll booths, running red lights, on and on and on and who isn't. It's state employees. It's federal employees that can go and get exempt. It's police, it's government bureaucrats above the very laws they try to enforce on us. This is tyranny.

And so literally, all over the nation — they've tried to pass it in Texas but failed — they want it where the police are above the law. Where the government officials are above the law. Where they have immunity. Where they can't be prosecuted for crimes. Congress exempts itself from most of the tax laws, and other laws that they put on the rest of us. They're exempt from Social Security. And they get a pension that pays out on average five times what citizens get. Again, it's already happening. So the chip in the hand and saying they're above the law under the guise of national security that's what the 1947 National Security Act — and now this whole Homeland Security system — is all about.

* * *

AJ:

So it's compartmentalized within the elite structure as well?

AR:

Of course it is. I mean, all the people that are in the CFR — is that two or three thousand people? I forget what it is — like Dan Rather — they don't know what's going on, they just joined the CFR because it's prestigious. They think it's good for business, it's good for this. They don't know what's really happening. You know, the evil that comes out of it, that's emanating out of it. And to me, the biggest evil is what's happening right now, because what happened on 9/11 is a phony. And we've never learned the truth about 9/11.

AJ:

That's the question I wanted to follow-up on. He tells you eleven months before "there's going to be an event, all this is going to happen." What did you think on the morning of 9/11? Where were you, and did you think about Nick Rockefeller and what he had told you when you saw those towers fall down?

AR:

No, I was actually in Tahiti when 9/11 happened, and I got a call from my son. And my son said: "The twin towers; they were just attacked and they were fallen down," or something. Said: What are you talking — I was in Tahiti, I was asleep — and says: "Yeah, they were hit by a plane." And so, where I was in Tahiti there was no television, so I to run around to the other side of the island to a hotel where they had — and it was all on the television, you know? And that's where I first saw the stuff on TV about it. And I didn't immediately equate it to Nick. But when I realized we were going to go into Afghanistan, Iraq — and as that developed, I realized what it was.

* * *

AR:

How could there be a War on Terror and actually say that we're having a war against terrorism, and leave the borders wide open? If you were the President of the United States, or I were the President of the United States, and 9/11 really happened the way they want us to believe it happened, the first thing you would do is shut down the borders, so people couldn't get in the country to harm you. But they left the borders wide open. Because the bankers want the borders open, because they want a one-world government. They want a North American Union. They don't want borders here. 9/11 was only a manifestation. It was done to create a fear in the American public so that we will obey what they want us to do.

Take Richard Reid, the shoe bomber. Here's a guy who's six-foot-six, ugly as could be. I heard he smelled. He sits in coach on a plane, lighting matches to put his shoe on fire, surrounded by people. It's idiotic! If you were going to blow up a plane, you'd go into the bathroom, you'd close the door, and you'd put your shoe on fire. You're not going to sit there, surrounded by people, lighting matches, on a no-smoking flight. They want you to believe this nonsense! It's ridiculous.

AJ:

7/7's come out now, and the majority of the British people think it's an inside job, and all the evidence points towards it being an inside job.

AR:

You mean, what happened in England, with London? [AJ: "Yes."] All this is nonsense! It's to keep people in fear. It's this endless war on terrorism, that doesn't really exist, so people will submit to whatever the government wants them to submit to — searches, checking your shoes, have ID cards, put chips in you. You know? Where you become servants to the elite. That's what this is all about.

Restore America's Republic to what it's supposed to be, get the bankers out of our government. Get the bankers out of our government: government should stop borrowing money from the banks. Government should make its own money, restore the republic, individual freedoms. That's what this country's about. And until we do that, we're going to be slaves.

* * *

AR:

I see people like Bill O'Reilly on television. And I see how much they control the media. Like there was this girl on Bill O'Reilly the other night, from an organization saying the world can't wait.[21] And this girl was spot-on. Everything she was saying was the truth. And all Bill O'Reilly could do was call her a lunatic. He couldn't challenge the facts. They just call people names. Look. We're heading into a world of danger, possible nuclear wars, because the banking industry is trying to take over the world. 9/11 is the beginning of the War on Terror. That War on Terror is leading us into Iraq, which is the next lie.

So you had the lie of 9/11, how that happened — nobody knows how Building 7 came down. We know 9/11 was a fraud. The American people don't know it, but more and more of them are believing this. So that was the first lie. I'm not going back to the inception of the Federal Reserve — that original lie — but 9/11 was the first lie in this present state we're in. 9/11 is the kick-off of the war against the American people, and the people of the world. 9/11 was a phony, it's a fraud. It didn't happen the way they told us it happened.

Now because of 9/11, we then had the authority to go into Afghanistan, and Iraq. Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction. So that was the next lie. Now they're talking about going into Iran. Now how would you feel if you were Iran, and you had this big, powerful country America going into your next-door neighbor, take over, take over their oil fields — wouldn't you be worried they were going to do it to you? Of course you're going to be worried. But the people of America don't think about it from Iran's point of view, they're thinking about it from our point of view.

So now we're going to send more troops into Iraq, and keep building up because they want Iraq and the Middle East to become part of the New World Order. And Saddam wanted to start using euros, instead of dollars. [AJ: "He was messing up their whole consoli—"] Iran wants to start using euros instead of dollars. [AJ: "They are, they are."]

So I'm saying: what they're trying to do is preserve their power, and one lie leads to next lie, leads to the next lie. And until you get to the root cause of 9/11 — which is supposedly the War on Terror — we'll never solve our problems here. Should we send more troops into Iraq, should we not send more troops into Iraq? Well the truth is — the fact is, that it all goes back to this War on Terror. Where did 9/11 come from? That's the root cause of everything. And until we have a full investigation, find out why Building 7 fell down, why they shipped all the steel out of America so quickly — you know, from the buildings. Why all the things that don't make any sense about 9/11 — until we find out why it really happened, we'll never understand why there's a War on Terror. And we'll never be able to prove that the War on Terror is a phony.

[. . .]

You know, Nick and I discussed many things, one of the things we discussed — or that he brought up in the conversation — was reducing world population — and felt that there were too many people in the world. In a way, I agree — there are too many people in the world. But I don't think I have the authority to say who's going to die and who's not going to die. But they felt that they wanted to reduce world population, and he felt that it should be reduced by half.

He even mentioned to me once that they were having a real problem trying to solve the Israel-Palestinian problem. And he talked to me once that they were playing around with the idea of bringing Israel to Arizona — and taking all the people from Israel and giving them a million dollars, and setting up Israel in the state of Arizona. [AJ: "Unbelievable."] To end that problem, because that's a problem that they're not in charge of, in a sense. They're not controlling that problem.

[. . .]

They're very arrogant, they can do whatever they want to do. We've given these people the authority to create money out of thin air, and through that device, they control everything. And if you want to win the battle to stop that, you have to deny them the ability to create money. It's only because they can make money that they have all this power. [AJ: "They literally have the money machines."] They have the money machines, they can print it, they can do whatever they want to do. They own everything.

AJ:

Aaron, we'd take over pretty quick, if we were the guys that issued the money, and everybody had to come to give us real assets for the use of this money we just printed up.

AR:

I tell people: Why in the world does the American government borrow money from the banks when they have the ability to create it themselves without borrowing it and paying interest on it? Why? And nobody can answer that question. Not one politician ever raises that. Why does the American government borrow money? —when they can create it? —without paying interest.

AJ:

Well, we did create it, up until... 1913 [AR: "1913."]

AR:

And so people say: "Well, because, if the American government does it, it'll create inflation." That's the answer. I say: Well, let's look at it. The American Government has the Federal Reserve do it, which creates the same inflation as if they did it, but also with the inflation, now you're getting massive debt. So with the Federal Reserve you have inflation and debt. Now if the American Government made the money, backed by gold, which limited the amount they could make, you wouldn't have debt and you wouldn't have inflation.[22]

AJ:

But inflation was only about 50 percent from the 1780s — I've looked it up — until the late 1800s. And then we have the central banks already trying to cause some panics which they then used to push the Federal Reserve. And if we look at inflation since 1913 until 2007, it's exponential, and in fact a dollar is worth about two pennies of what it was worth in 1913. Former Federal Reserve Chairman doubled the money supply from 2000-2006, and then [Ben] Bernanke, the new Fed chief, came in and said he's going to double it again in the next two years. And then he said I'm now going to make the money supply numbers secret, and so now we don't even know, but the evidence is they are just — I mean in the curve of inflation, it just gradually grows, and then suddenly a point goes straight up[23] — and it seems we now—

AR:

It's parabolic, yeah. But the thing is — the only thing I disagree with you on — from early 1800 to 1913 there was no inflation, other than during the Civil War, you know, when Lincoln was President. [AJ: "Well I'm talking about how much a dollar was worth."] A dollar never changed. There was no inflation. For a hundred years, there was no inflation. People knew what their money was worth, they could retire, they knew what it would cost them to live their lives out, there was no problem. It was only since 1913 when the Fed came in that we've created massive inflation and massive debt.

AJ:

So, then what you said earlier, then there really wasn't inflation? [AR: "There was no inflation."] So you don't get inflation when the government issues money, at least in the U.S. History? [AR: "Not if it's backed by gold."] Exactly. But I'm talking about — and I did look this up — and I believe that if you look after the country was set up — and some of the things back with Andrew Jackson and the rest of it — there were points when it spiked, and there were manipulations—

AR:

There were points, mostly during the Civil War. [AJ: "Yeah. And that's because Lincoln printed so much money."] Exactly, exactly. That's right. But once that ended, basically there was no inflation other than during that short period of time. I mean a loaf of bread was a loaf — it cost the same thing. People could plan their lives. Today, they plan inflation. Now you have two parents working, they can't afford to pay for their family any more. The kids are going to state-run schools now. The kids are being indoctrinated how to think. They're being given Ritalin. They're being given all these drugs. The whole country's being dumbed down. It's all because of the Federal Reserve System, and the Federal Reserve System, these bankers, are responsible for the demise of America. And if we ever want to win this battle, you must shut down the Federal Reserve System. And we must shut down these bankers, and restore sound money to this country.

AJ:

Would you talk a little about some of the families that own the private Federal Reserve? The stock in it? I mean obviously, you say you're not a big expert on the Bilderberg group, but you talk about how it's the same system world-wide. It is the same families, they meet and kind of set the policy each year, and then it goes to the Royal Institute for International Affairs of England, it goes to the CFR in the US, and then these are the management bodies where they wield control — really the de facto congresses over the nations. So, I mean, I would like to get you to speak some about the families that own and run the Federal Reserve, and then if you can, connect it into these other international bodies—

AR:

Well I can't speak to those families because — I can only speak about what I know for fact; everything else is speculation, and I don't like to speculate. I know about Rockefeller because I was friends with him, we talked about it, and I can tell you first-hand what—

AJ:

What did Rockefeller tell you about the Federal Reserve and the family owning part of it?

AR:

Well. He said the New York Fed is the main controlling interest in the Federal Reserve System; they control the bulk of it. So the New York Fed is really the Federal Reserve System, even though there's twelve different banks, it's run by the New York Fed, and the New York Fed is basically the Federal Reserve System. So whoever's running the New York Fed is where — and the families that control it, control the New York Fed, and they're the main engine behind the Federal Reserve System.

AJ:

And that's a wing of the Bank of England?

AR:

Well, the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve are partners. And the Bank of England's a private bank, and so's the Bundesbank in Germany. All the banks of the G8 countries are all private banks, private central banks. Look, what happened in Europe? Didn't Europe vote down the European Constitution?[24] They're still doing it. Didn't they vote down the euro? They're still doing it. They don't care what the people vote; they do whatever they want to do. What we want doesn't matter any more. It's their agenda, it's their plans that matter.

AJ:

Isn't that prima facie evidence of a tyranny?

AR:

Well it's no question we're in tyranny. There's no question we're living in a world where the American citizen is no longer free, an individual human being, to do the things that they wish to do. You know? We're slaves. And it's getting worse.

AJ:

What do we got to do to bring these people down?

AR:

In my opinion, you must shut down the Federal Reserve System. And I think that there has to be an uprising. There has to be an uprising. People have to stand up. I can't do it alone. You can't do it all alone, Alex. And we need to get a majority of people — not a majority of people, but—

AJ:

It was five percent won the war against the British — a highly motivated group.[25] But I agree, people've got to get angry first. I mean not just "Yeah, yeah, we know it's corrupt," and that lackadaisical — we've got to get pissed.

AR:

People don't seem to have the courage to do what they have to do.

AJ:

I want to say you've got a lot of courage. [AR: "Well thank you. I don't know if I have a lot of courage, I just have a s—"]  I want to thank you for what you're doing for my family.

AR:

I have a sense of conscience and I have a sense of justice. I get nervous about what I do, but I do it because there's no other choice. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do it.

But the fact of the matter is — I've ostracized myself pretty much from Hollywood, you know? People are afraid to deal with me in Hollywood a lot because of what I do, and the things I say. I don't go along with routines. A lot of people in Hollywood know the truth, and they're not willing to stand up and speak about it. I know many of them see my movie, and they know I'm right, and they won't talk about it — because everybody's afraid.

Everybody's afraid because they think that this money they get, these Federal Reserve Notes, are really money, and they think they have a comfortable life-style, and they're afraid to change. They're afraid to stand up for what's right. And until people are willing to stand up and have the courage to do what they need to do, it's not going to change.

And hopefully what you're doing, what I'm doing, what other people like us are doing, can effect the change that people will stand up and say: "Hey. I've had enough."

The thing is, we have one advantage: they need us to co-operate. See, if we don't co-operate with them, they can't win. And so they always need our co-operation to go along with their programs.

AJ:

They're trying to sell us.

AR:

Right. They try to sell us. Democracy — the majority says this — believe in this, do this, do that. The War on Terrror — we've got to be scared. They're always trying to do things to sell us, so that we'll go along with them. And once we learn not to co-operate with them, then we win the game. And that's the point. Don't co-operate with them. Don't go along with the program any more. Stop it. Join forces.

You and I should run for President and Vice President and take over this country and bring freedom back to this country. You know, that's what it takes. Two people like you and I, statesmen, who believe in freedom, who believe in Thomas Jefferson and the Constitution and the Founding Fathers, to make this country whole again. Because right now it's in the grip of the evil ones.

And the only way to stop that is for good men to stand up. Was it Edmund Burke said: "Evil can only thrive when good men do nothing"? [AJ: "Yes."] Right? We've got to do something. That's what it is. "Silence is golden, but what it comes to your freedom it's yellow."

We have to stop being scared, we have to stand up and do what's necessary, to take back, to stop these bankers, these elite, this government, full of lies, Congressmen, full of liars. People — take destroying our borders — creating a government — I mean, imagine this! Here you are in America, and they're combining America, Canada, and Mexico into one country — the North American Union — and the American people don't know anything about it! It's not even in the press. They'd rather talk about Rosie O'Donnell and Donald Trump calling each other names than discussing the fact that we're merging into one country. The press doesn't even report it. [AJ: "Or that Paris Hilton doesn't wear underwear."] Yeah. Britney Spears.

But I mean: who cares? I mean the fact of the matter happens to be — that tells you how controlled the media is. Here you are combining America, Canada, into one country, and you don't see it in the press. [AJ: "Unless maybe it's Lou Dobbs."] You don't see it in the press. You just don't see it. [AJ: "It should be the top story everywhere—"] —everywhere, and not a word about it, really. Why? That tells you — there's the evidence that it's controlled. They don't want the American people to know what's going on. That's why they don't protect our borders. That's why we're losing our Constitution, the very document that secures our freedoms.

* * *

AJ:

There is a rising tide against it.

AR:

There is a rising tide, but we have to mobilize. We have to mobilize. And we have to get all the good people in this country to stand together and say "I'm not going to take it any more."

* * *

AR:

Well, I think if you analyze the situation, and if you realize that since the Federal Reserve has come into being in 1913, illegally, without a Constitutional amendment, by bribing a few Senators during Christmas vacation, they turned over the most important power that the American government has — the creation and issuance of money — to a private bank. Through that private bank issuing money, they have destroyed this country. They have destroyed the purchasing power of the money, in this country. They've created social programs that are destroying this country.

Now they've taken over our government, both Republicans and Democrats, there's no difference anymore between the two parties. They control both parties. Doesn't matter to them which one wins, because whoever's running for President will be someone that they anoint. Okay? Whether it's Hillary Clinton or John McCain running for President next year, they are going to be people who do what they want them to do. And the fact of the matter happens to be that you can't win an election unless you have enough money to win — they make sure who gets the money.

So, through that, through these bankers attempting to take over America, knowing that America was the freest nation in the world, it was necessary for them to take over America, take away our gun rights, freedom to bear arms, and create a country where we become slaves, because once they took over America, the rest of the world becomes a lot easier for them.

And so by creating 9/11, an event to terrify the American people, that we're being attacked, by terrorists, you create a world where there's an enemy that can never be pin-pointed — you can never win the battle. It's a hundred-year war, a never-ending war on terrorism.

So you're always fighting this war. And through the war on terrorism, which is the first — the 9/11 which is the first lie, then you create the war on terrorism which is the next lie, then you create the war on Iraq for weapons of mass destruction which is the next lie — and it's one lie to the next lie to the next lie. Now it's going to be to Iran, the next lie, sending more troops and insurgents into Iraq—it's just one thing leading to the other. And it's always with the point of taking over more countries. More dominance. Making sure the American dollar, making sure the G8 stays in control of everything. And what they want to do is control the American people, control the people of the world, put RFID chips in everybody, so everybody's a slave to these central banks.

AJ:

Did you ever talk to Nick Rockefeller after he told you all this, and then 9/11 took place?

AR:

No... no.... no.

But he told me that you're going to see men running around caves looking for Osama bin Laden, you know, you're going to see men looking for these guys and they're—

AJ:

He told you it was all going to be bull?

AR:

It's a phony, the whole thing is a fake. It's a fraud.

AJ:

Was he laughing or just coldly saying this?

AR:

No, it was more laughing, cynical. Laughing. It was more like "How stupid everybody is! Look how stupid everybody is! We can do whatever we want to do."

AJ:

Well, it is ridiculous. It's like with al-Zawahiri, they claimed they killed him like fourteen times.[33] And then they never said "We didn't kill him last time, but we killed him this time." They never even — now they're like practicing being ridiculous.

AR:

But what about bin Laden being in the American hospital getting kidney help, right? In the American hospital, right?[34] They could, if they wanted Osama bin Laden, they could have gotten him. He was right in the American — after the Cole.

AJ:

Well every time our troops really keep catching Taliban leaders, they would be ordered by the generals to let them go, that's come out in the newspapers not only here but there. And then Pat Tillman was complaining about it, and then he got shot — I talked to his brother — [AR: "Oh, you did?"] and then he got shot and there was a big hero charging al-Qaeda, no al-Qaeda, somebody just shot him in the back.[35]

AR:

Look. We're dealing with complete evil. We're dealing with complete evil. And until the American people wake up, and say "We don't want this evil in our country any more, and we want to come back to a country of decency, and goodness, and integrity, and honor," we're going down that road.

And that's what it going to take, it's going to take people to stand up and say "We don't want to live in this kind of a world anymore."

I believe we should pull all our troops out of Iraq. I believe we should leave other countries alone. Let other countries live their lives the way they choose to. Stop trying to spread democracy around the world, which is the worst form of government there is anyway. Restore our Republic to what it's supposed to be, and go back to what the Founding Fathers gave us. And try and restore that. Restore the Republic.

Look, the point of everything is: that we have to mobilize. Each one of us. You and I can't do everything, Alex. You and I may be leaders, we may be out there and people listen to us, to what we have to say, and follow us, but the truth of the matter happens to be that it takes all Americans to stand together, to stand tall, to mobilize and say "I'm mad as hell. I'm not going to take it any more." We're going to stand up and fight the battle.

And you and I can't do this alone, we're just leaders of the thing, but other people have to join in with us, and stand side-by-side, shoulder-to-shoulder, and say "I'm not going to take it any more." That's what it's going to take to win this effort.

And to stop co-operating with the government. And with all their rules and regulations. And to wake everybody up. To hand out DVDs of my movie, hand out DVDs of your movie, to educate everybody to what's going on.

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AR:

Well. if you don't fight the corruption, and you don't stand up for what's right in life, you're going to end up being a serf and a slave and you're leaving your children a world that you wouldn't want to live in yourself. So how can you, in decency, behave that way? You have to stand up for what's right in life. And unless you do that, you're nothing.

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AR:

Well, freedom or liberty is what people really want. And it's time to stop the duplicity of the government from lying to us. You see, many many people know the truth of what's happening in this country. They know the truth, like the numbers you gave about 9/11. But they're afraid to stand up. People have to find their courage, and stand up and say "I'm not going to take this anymore; I know the truth."

And it's like they create a situation where if you tell the truth, you're considered a lunatic. In other words, if someone goes on a TV show and says "9/11 is an inside job," — "Oh, you're an idiot! You're crazy!" They call you names. You can't be afraid of that.

AJ:

Well it doesn't work any more. I mean, they have no facts. Just calling you crazy doesn't— [AR: "Well we know that."] They also go get kooks, who are kooks, and put them on and then say they represent us. Another tactic.

AR:

That's right. Exactly. Exactly. And Bill O'Reilly's great at that, Sean Hannity's great at that. They just put people on who they can dominate, you know?

AJ:

Why do you think guys like that — they're not stupid. I mean I've talked to guys that know them. They know the truth, why do you think they decided to join in the evil?

AR:

...That has to be in their hearts. I mean, I had the opportunity to do that, and in my heart I couldn't do it. So it has to—

AJ:

I mean how could you or I consciously be involved in something like putting AIDS virus in a black African's vaccines. I mean: what the hell? I mean — it's not like — we're not good guys either. I don't think I'm like some special, perfect person. But what the hell's wrong with this elite? I mean what are they, running around doing evil? I mean they just run around, continually doing evil.

AR:

I think a lot of them think they're doing the right thing. I think a lot of them think they're doing the right thing. Not the top elite, but people within the system.

But I think that it's all about, as Nick said to me, it's about control, and power. They have all the money they want, they can make all the money they want. They have a machine that can make all the money. It's not about money. It's about control. It's about their vision of how they want to see the world, in their eyes.

And you and I believe in individuality, in the individual being the dominant person. Today we live in a world where institutions are dominant, not people. You know? "We the people, by the people, for the people." Now it's we the institutions, by the institutions, for the institutions.

People are secondary. It's all about corporations and institutions. And the Federal Reserve is the biggest institution in the world. You know, if you ask somebody: What's the biggest corporation in the world? They'll say "Google", or "Walmart", or "Exxon" or something. But the biggest corporation in the world is the Federal Reserve System. And all of the other corporations feed off of the nipple of the Federal Reserve System.

AJ:

Well it's like the Monopoly game: the bank always wins, it has unlimited money, it's not the people playing on the board. [AR: "Exactly."] The bank owns the board, the box, [AR: "Right."] the shelf it's sitting on.

AR:

So that's because you gave them the ability to make the money. You have to take that away from them. [AJ: "You need to take the bank away from the private bankers."] Exactly. You have to take the creation of money away from the private bankers and you'll solve 95 percent of your problems.

AJ:

Well, look at America. Ten percent growth rates every year like China's having right now. The US had ten percent growth rates until the Federal Reserve took over. And then if you look at that, it all starts really going downhill from there.

AR:

Well they destroyed the American worker. What they've done — here's what's happened: The Federal Reserve has created this massive inflation in America. Which means that the American worker has to keep making more money to keep up with the cost of living. The more money they make to give it to cost of living, the less competitive they become in the world economy. So now what happens is we have to pay our workers so much to keep up with the cost of living, say "Well, screw the American worker, let's go overseas now and get the cheap labor."

AJ:

But really that's a war being waged against the middle class. [AR: "Of course it is."] The bankers print the money — I mean really this is a war being waged against the middle class. The bankers print the money. Everything they're doing is about destroying any private pools of wealth or independence.

AR:

Yeah. But what I'm trying to say is: Because of the inflation that they've created, they've now allowed other countries to out-compete us. Because other countries don't have to pay as much as we have to pay here to our workers, to survive. [AJ: "Yes."] So now we're not competitive anymore. So we've lost our manufacturing base. We've lost our competitive — in the old days, the American worker — you wanted everything American, you wouldn't buy anything from Japan, because it was cheap crap.

AJ:

And what does that leave us? It leaves America this military force and so the elite's giving us a deal: We'll continue to build up your military and give you Homeland Security jobs, shift your economy over to being the bulldog enforcer of the New World Order [AR: "New World Order. Exactly."] And by controlling the economy, they force everybody into that position.

AR:

That's exactly correct, that's exactly correct. And there's no more manufacturing here. We're a service economy. We do nothing, we provide nothing. We provide nothing to the rest of the world anymore.

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AR:

Well first off, Freedom to Fascism is a movie everybody should see, because we show the fraud of the income tax, we show how judges put people in jail for no reason, we show the corruption of the justice system, and we show how the Federal Reserve came into being, and how it's controlling society. And how all the central banks of the world are working together, through the Bank of International Settlements in Switzerland — which is the central bank for all central banks. And how they all work together to create this one-world government, the one-world order, which is what they're trying to do.

So Freedom to Fascism is a movie just to get you a good basic education about how the world is really working, and I really want everybody to see that movie. Critical.

In terms of the CFR, in terms of compartmentalization, I mean there are many good people — I believe — that are part of these organizations that don't even understand what the organization's really about.

People — like when I was in Germany, doing cancer treatment, there was a gentleman there who was visiting a friend of his, who had cancer. And he was a member of the CFR. And we were talking. And I showed him the movie. Said: "Oh my God. I'm going to resign. I had no idea this is what the CFR was about." He had no idea. He was just a nice guy who thought he was in this prestigious organization.

AJ:

Yeah a lot of it's about getting good people, and — so you can watch them. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

AR:

Well, no, it wasn't even that. A lot of people join the CFR because they think it's a prestigious organization, that it will help them in business, make good business contacts. They don't even have an understanding that the CFR is really about world domination. About how they and the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, all work together with the banks to control all the people. They don't understand — a lot of them don't understand that. They don't see the big picture.

"Oh, the CFR! It's a prestigious organization. I'll meet this one, I'll meet that one. I could do good business deals out of it." It's just business to them.

The CFR wants to get people in there that have influence and power. And so they're part of that; they're not opposing them. The whole country today is becoming the haves and have-nots. You're getting the very, very wealthy, the middle class is being destroyed, and they're hating the poor people.

AJ:

Isn't this just a slick mafia that took over and uses fancy PR?

AR:

Well, you can call it "mafia", you can call it whatever you want. It's definitely a criminal organization. There's no question about it. But it's a criminal organization that has prestige. That appears to have — what's the word I'm looking for? — [AJ: "Class?"] class, style — respected! It's a respected — people don't look at it as being a criminal organization. That's what a great job they've done. People look at Alan Greenspan as being a hero. "The Maestro".

AJ:

What do you think happened with him? In the late '60s he wrote a big section, a chapter for Ayn Rand. In a book. And he talked about how horrible the Federal Reserve was, we needed a gold standard, and how the bankers are robbing us.[36] And then they literally came and said "Oh!" and you see somebody who made a deal with Beelzebub.

AR:

Well, you know, exactly — you make a deal with the devil. It gave him a chance to be one of the most powerful men on the Earth. And it gave him a chance to accomplish things he never thought he would have accomplished in his life, other than that.

And it's very seductive. It's a very attractive perfume. I mean, I was attracted when they came to me and spoke to me about it. I thought about it. I was attracted to it. They asked me if I wanted to open up these nightclubs, you know — put up a chain of bay-watch nightclubs, and "we'll do this thing, we'll do that. We can do this—" I mean all these were proposed to me. Business ventures. But I—

AJ:

You know what it is? It was your nature, though. It's the way you are, you couldn't take the deal.

AR:

Well I can't do that to people, and I just can't be in a position where I can do that to other people. I have a conscience. And my conscience would not permit me to do that.

You know, people say I'm very courageous. I don't think I'm courageous. I think I have a conscience. And my conscience doesn't allow me to do that to people. I just — it makes me feel sick. I just don't believe in it.

AJ:

Oh, I agree. When I do bad things, I feel bad. When I do good things I feel good.

AR:

Yeah, exactly. And I feel the same way. And I don't know what's going to come out of—

AJ:

I mean, I don't have that much money, but I've got some money and it's like "What more do I need?" I can go on a trip if I want, I can help pay for my kids to go to school, and be happy. My wife's comfortable. How do I have to go out and screw some people so I can have some more junk?

AR:

Well, you know money's a funny thing. I was talking to Michael Eisner one day and I said to Michael: You may have a billion dollars, Michael, but they're all dollars. You know? If the dollar goes bad, how much money are you going to have? And that's the thing.

Everything is denominated in dollars. Everybody thinks in terms of dollars. But the dollar has no value. And some day, everything "returns to the mean".

AJ:

Well, really, the whole universe, financial universe, we live in is a Matrix fraud.

AR:

Yes. It is. And that's why it's going to come crashing at some point. And they're going to try to hold up as long as they can. Whenever they want to manipulate the markets, they can. If they want to send the price of gold down lower, they can. If they want to send the stock market up they can. They do whatever — there's no more free markets, you don't live in a society where free markets rule anymore. You don't live in a capitalistic society.

AJ:

But meanwhile they say it's capitalistic, and free market all day, when really they're waging war, financially and politically.

AR:

Exactly right.

AJ:

Aaron Russo I want to thank you for this interview. Anything else you want to add?

AR:

No. I'm happy to do it for you and I'm—

AJ:

How about your website?

AR:

My website: freedomtofascism.com. Go over there, take a look at it.

But folks, you know, all I can say is: take our country back, restore the Constitution, don't let these bankers do this to us anymore. Stand up, don't be afraid of them. And do what you've got to do.

And I have plans in the works, and when I get over my problems, we'll reveal them.

AJ:

Well, I'll be supportive of that.

AR:

Thank you, Alex. And listen: you've done a great job alerting people to the truth.

And don't be afraid to be ridiculed by these people. You know?

If 9/11 was a phony — and I know it was — then stand up and say it's a phony. Don't be scared to tell the truth. Don't allow their powers of trying to make you look silly to frighten you.

AJ:

What'd you think of what Charlie Sheen did?[37]

AR:

I love what Charlie Sheen did. I was so respectful of what he did, I was — I wanted — I just applauded him.

AJ:

People saw right through that attack, like they flipped a light switch, when they went after him.

AR:

Yeah, but you see the thing is that more people don't come out and do it. Go that way of "Charlie did it and I'm really proud of him—"

AJ:

David Lynch did[38], but the media was smart and didn't bite this time and didn't—

AR:

I mean, a few people have, but they're not picking up on it. Because they control the media.

AJ:

Brolin! James Brolin did on The View.[39]

AR:

I heard that. I heard that as well. But again, they're not picking up—

AJ:

Barbara Walters looked like she's about to have a heart attack.

AR:

But they don't pick up on it. You see? They don't allow it to go anywhere. If someone says something, they let it die. But they keep perpetuating War on Terrorism. They keep perpetuating all these things that are lies.

And it's because we've given them the money-making power — they control the media, they control the government, and they're all in bed together. So you're fighting all this propaganda all the time. And it's a very difficult fight.

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AR:

Americans: mobilize. Stand together, stand tall, tell government you're mad as hell, no longer co-operating with the government, you'll not accept a national ID card. Do everything in your power to restore freedom and your individuality back to America. Stop being a country run by the institutions, for the institutions. Let's go back to "we the people, by the people, for the people" as opposed to "we the institution, by the institution, for the institution." Stand up for your individual rights. Stand up for the godliness that's in each and every one of us.