Obama's "Clean Power Plan" is Closing Down Coal-fired Power Plants, Which Will Cause Electricity Rates to "Necessarily Skyrocket"
On the Clean Power Plan, former Obama Administration Assistant Secretary Charles McConnell said at best it will reduce global temperature by only one one-hundredth of a degree Celsius.
From a review recently completed by the CO2 Coalition (CO2Coalition.org), a new independent, nonpartisan scientific-educational group... (nonpartisans means no one involved has or shows an agenda):
"Carbon dioxide, CO2, is not a pollutant. All living things are built of carbon that comes from CO2. An increase in essential CO2 in the atmosphere will be a huge benefit to plants and agriculture. Satellite measurements show that the increase of CO2 over the last few decades has already caused a pronounced greening of the planet — especially in arid regions."
"We support the cost-effective control of real pollutants associated with the use of fossil fuels — for example, fly ash, oxides of nitrogen and sulfur or smog-forming volatile hydrocarbons. But CO2 isn’t a pollutant, and there’s no reason to control it."
"Warming” from CO2 has been much less than predicted by the climate models the Administration bases his policies on. For 20 years, the temperature has been virtually unchanged, in stark contrast to model predictions."
City officials working to keep DTE Energy Trenton Channel Power Plant open
The News-Herald - Despite DTE Energy’s announcement in September of plans to close 25 power plants in Michigan by 2020, Trenton officials remain hopeful the Trenton Channel Power Plant will remain open if it is selected for conversion from coal fueled to natural gas.Under the administration of President Barack Obama, the Clean Power Plan -- a policy aimed at combating pollutants causing climate change -- was proposed by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in June 2014.
Under terms of the plan, Michigan must reduce its carbon emission rate by 39 percent by 2030. With the expected plant closures, Michigan would be at a 17 percent reduction by 2020.
The transition to natural gas plants is expected to cut carbon dioxide in the air by 50 percent to 60 percent over using coal, according to the plan.
Dating to 2014, the announcement of two of three units slated to close at the Trenton facility left residents wondering about the plant’s future.
At the time, DTE Energy spokeswoman Randi Berris said Unit 9, the largest generating unit at the Trenton Channel, was expected to be the only section open. She said it would continue to provide “reliable, affordable” power for DTE Energy customers.
Despite the Trenton Channel being on the list of plants expected to close between 2020 and 2022, City Administrator Jim Wagner said he is “optimistic that something will be done and DTE Energy’s Trenton Channel Plant will be saved.”
Wagner, council members and other city staff plan to meet with DTE Energy representatives to seek options to keep the facility open.
Closing the plant would impact city services by about 25 percent as it is the municipality’s largest current taxpayer, Wagner said.
Not only would plant workers lose their jobs, but a reduction in firefighters, police officers and sanitary engineers also would have to be made, he said.
“If the Trenton Channel Plant closes, it will leave a much greater impact farther than the city of Trenton,” Wagner said. “… Coal producers will see layoffs in their business from the production standpoint. Rail company profits will reduce because there will be less coal being transported.
“There are many ramifications from closing the plants. … We can only assume that with the reduction of these DTE Energy plants, electricity rates will also go up.”
Nevada joins states fighting Obama’s climate rule
February 24, 2016The Hill - Nevada is joining the two dozen states fighting to stop the Obama administration’s climate change rule for power plants in court, though only in a limited capacity.
Adam Paul Laxalt, Nevada’s Republican attorney general, filed a brief late Tuesday in the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit supporting the arguments put forth by West Virginia, Texas and numerous other states objecting to the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) regulation.
Laxalt said the emissions cuts the EPA is asking for from Nevada are manageable, but the regulation is still likely to harm the state.
“First, EPA’s unprecedented regulations harm energy consumers in other states, thus threatening harm to the overall national economy and in turn to Nevada's vital tourism industry,” he wrote in a brief joined by Consumers’ Research, an advocacy group.He additionally argued that the Clean Power Plan would set a precedent that could bring about harsher regulations that more directly harm Nevada.
The state filed the brief as an “amicus curiae,” or friend of the court, and has elected to stay out of closer involvement with the litigation.
The brief was filed the same day as numerous other amicus briefs supporting the challengers, including one from more than 200 lawmakers.
Conservative states have generally lined up behind West Virginia to help challenge the rule. Meanwhile, a coalition of liberal states, joined by some cities and a county, are participating to help the EPA defend the regulation.
'War on coal' is long over, and guess who lost?
CNBC - With Washington locked in a fight over whether to wait until next year to fill the seat of the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and the likelihood high that the next Justice will ultimately decide the fate of President Obama's climate-change plan, available evidence suggests that the economic cost of the transition away from coal-fired electricity is fairly modest.
Yet utilities, which account for 93 percent of U.S. coal usage, have already begun to comply with the mandates, having cut carbon emissions 18 percent since 2005 — more than halfway to the plan's goal of forcing 32 percent reductions from 2005 levels by 2030. Coal accounted for just 34 percent of U.S. electricity generation last year, based on a full-year estimate in the recent Sustainable Energy in America Factbook, which would represent the lowest level in the modern history of the utility industry, based on data that has been kept by the Energy Information Administration since 1949.
At the same time, gains in electricity prices have all but halted. They rose 1.2 percent last year and were falling late in 2015, in sharp contrast to the 18 percent inflation in electricity in 2006, according to Labor Department figures. Even job losses in the coal industry have slowed, compared to their pace in earlier periods when automation forced thousands of miners out of work.
Scalia's last vote on the court was to support a Feb. 9 injunction, issued by a 5–4 vote, barring enforcement of the Obama administration's Clean Power Plan until it can be heard by the courts. The D.C. Circuit Court had declined to issue a stay in the case weeks earlier, instead setting an accelerated time line for the case and a June 2 date for oral argument."It will definitely hurt further," said John Deskins, director of the Bureau of Business and Economic Research at West Virginia University. But the state's coal industry has already been getting hit by the mechanization of work, China's slowing coal demand and lower natural-gas prices. "I just know all three of those factors are important," Deskins said.
If the case comes back to the Supreme Court for hearing on the merits, probably next year, it's likely the next Justice will cast the deciding vote. If the standoff between President Obama and the Senate prevents the seat from being filled before then, the ruling of the D.C. Circuit after the June hearing would be preserved by a 4–4 vote on appeal. On Tuesday, the Senate Republicans made it clear they had no intention of even acknowledging a Supreme Court nominee from President Obama.
There's little doubt that the plan would hurt sales of coal, an industry the U.S. Department of Energy claims generated about $36.5 billion of 2014 U.S. sales before prices collapsed last year. Since reaching a high point in 2008, coal production in the United States has continued to decline. U.S. coal production in 2015 was expected to be about 900 million short tons (MMst), 10 percent lower than in 2014 and the lowest level since 1986, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration data released early this year. In West Virginia, Deskins estimates that sales would fall 20 percent from today's levels of 95 million to 100 million short tons per year, with coal-industry employment falling by about the same amount.
But even in coal-producing states, coal is only a small part of the economy. And the coal industry had huge problems even before the Clean Power Plan came along.
In states like West Virginia and Kentucky, the two states with the most direct coal employment, the challenge is to move from local economies based on mining to a broader mix. It's a challenge that Kentucky has been managing more easily than its neighbor.
Kentucky's 9,200 remaining coal jobs, down from 29,000 in 1990, are less than a quarter of the 40,000 jobs the state added last year and less than 1 percent of total jobs, according to the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics. In West Virginia, coal-mining jobs are 2.4 percent of about 750,000 jobs statewide. West Virginia lost 12,000 jobs in total last year.
The big problems for "coal country" now are weak export markets, especially China, and competition from natural gas, the price of which has fallen 85 percent from pre-recession peaks."Coal mining, beverage manufacturing and animal production [are] sub-industries that are typically viewed as important in Kentucky," Christopher Bollinger, director of the University of Kentucky's Center for Business and Economic Research, wrote in the center's 2016 forecast."Together these three industries make up only a small proportion of Kentucky's economy (around 2 percent), and that is a good thing, because they are declining industries. Growth will not likely come from coal, horses or bourbon."
The EIA full-year 2015 data projections expect that China, the world's largest coal consumer, imported less than 0.5 short tons (MMst) from the U.S., down from 8.3 MMst from the United States in 2013, about 7 percent of total U.S. coal exports that year. In 2014, U.S. coal exports to China decreased to 1.8 MMst. Based on Census Bureau data through September 2015, and estimates for the remainder of the year, EIA expected total U.S. coal industry exports of 77 MMst, a 21 percent decline from the previous year.
In places like these, the challenge is to help people find other work to do — often by leaving their hometowns, Deskins said. It has been easier for Kentucky, which has seen strong growth in services employment around Louisville and Lexington. It's a challenge he faced himself, coming from a Virginia county that borders coal-producing country in southern West Virginia, he said.
McDowell County West Virginia, in the heart of coal country, has dwindled to 20,000 people, losing 7.5 percent of its population since 2010 and more than 80 percent since 1950, according to census data. The less-trained workforce in West Virginia also kept it from benefiting as much from fracking for natural gas, as many workers had to be imported from states like Oklahoma, Deskins said.
"When I was 18, there was no question I would leave," he said.
The main source of other coal-related employment is in more than 600 utility plants around the U.S., down from 1,522 in 2005, according to SourceWatch. An estimated 60,000 people hold utility jobs tied to coal. The EPA estimates that coal-fired power plants will cut about 13,000 jobs by 2030.
Rising utility rates may hit hardest in states that use the most coal for electricity, including North Dakota, Missouri, Indiana and Utah, as well as top coal-producing states Wyoming, Kentucky and West Virginia. It will have much less impact on West Coast states, like California, that are already moving away from coal, and most Northeastern states are well on the way to meeting their CPP obligations.
For utility rates, the question is whether the cost of replacing coal-fired plants with something new are greater than the savings from cheaper fuel. Natural gas is now cheaper than coal for most utility uses, and wind and solar power don't use fuel. Rates are set partly by incorporating the capital cost of new plants into rates over the life of the plant, letting utilities repay debt incurred to build them.
Replacing plants will boost utilities' capital spending by between $29 billion and $39 billion a year, according to NERA Economic Consulting, a unit of Marsh & McLennan. Utility rates will rise 11 percent to 14 percent, the firm says, with 10 states seeing 30 percent hikes or more. Between now and 2031, the plan will cost consumers as much as $79 billion, NERA says.
Peabody Energy (BTU), which produces 10 percent of U.S. electricity and also has an ownership interest in a 1,600 megawatt coal-fueled electricity generation plant in the U.S., wrote in an amicus brief to the Supreme Court supporting the coal industry's case, "This case demonstrates the astonishing consequences of an agency's failure to take costs and risk trade-offs into account. … The upshot of EPA's conclusion is a Rule with estimated costs of $9.6 billion annually. ... Further, even EPA's huge figure of $9.6 billion in costs represents a severe underestimation."
Peabody stated in its court brief, "The Rule will cause a significant percentage of power plants to shut down and will also result in job losses, decreased reliability of the electrical grid, and higher prices for electricity and consumer goods. … The massive costs associated with EPA's proposal will cause significant social hardship. For millions of lower-income households, high energy costs force hard decisions about what bills to pay — housing, food, education, health care, or other necessities. … The costs will almost certainly have a disproportionate impact on the poorest segments of the population."
Blue-collar families can spend as much as 22 percent of their incomes on energy, including both gasoline and electricity, making swings in power prices hurt, said Paul Bailey, senior vice president for federal affairs at the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, which commissioned NERA's study.
"It's a big deal because of the electricity rates," Bailey said. "Even EPA has bigger numbers in their state-by-state figures.''
"Surging renewables build and coal retirements have not triggered a dramatic leap in retail power prices,'' the council said in a report this month. "Year on year, retail rates in 2015 fell 1.3 percent in real terms, even as real GDP grew by 2.4 percent."
Ima1492 • 11 hours ago
ReplyDeleteCO2 IS NOT a pollutant!!!
Rich • 12 hours ago
Just look who wrote the article and you know the agenda he his pushing. Here is the truth, there is no viable alternative to fossil fuels. This is all about a policial lie concerning man made global warming in order to take money away from those industries who the liberals despise. Nobody seems to consider the environmental impact of the batteries required to harvest the power during the short energy producing periods of Wind and Solar. I guess that gets ignored because it doesn't fit their agenda. Here is a new flash for the Bernie economic followers: If you raise taxes or regulation costs on a company, the consumer (i.e) middle class pays it. Why is this so hard to understand.
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So these morons want to get rid of coal which is according to this article is 33% of electricity produced in the US. The problem is replacing that 33%. The same idiots that want to get rid of coal are the same ones that will not let us build another nuke plant. So what do we have left? Gas Turbine, Solar, and wind. Gas Turbine cannot keep up with the demand in big cities only rural areas. Solar and wind well there is not enough space and the technology is not even close to viably cheap.
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available evidence suggests that the economic cost of the transition away from coal-fired electricity is fairly modest. Simple the power company is going to pass all the cost of new power plants on to those that use there service! Pricing will also be subject to the daily fluctuations of NG. The end result is the consumer takes it in the back side! It is obvious that when ever a president signs something he gives little regard to the common man. One example is the free trade agreements that has all but destroyed manufacturing!
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Ok, the guy in this article seems to insinuate that closing the coal mines wasn't a big deal. I'd like to see him transplanted to Harlan or Hazard KY and try to make a living. Obama's EPA has basically DESTROYED the eastern half of my state. You can't farm the land in eastern KY, it's mountainous. They've taken the only honorable, high paying jobs available. The only option available now is the government dole or selling drugs. For the record, they say pollution/carbon is going to destroy the world...does anybody remember the 70's? There were rivers that you could set on fire because of the pollution. We are headed in the right direction with cleaning up the environment but for now coal still has a use. Once the lower pollution forms of energy catches up, then we can talk about phasing out coal. Right now if it weren't for fracking and natural gas, no one in KY could afford their electric bill.
William 1 hour ago
ReplyDeleteOf course electric prices have not risen, natural gas is record low, so low the nukes are shutting down too and in a year or two when coal & nuclear power plants are all gone and gas prices rise again we will see record high power prices.
Bud Wilstead 5 minutes ago
The miners, their families and businesses serving the miners definitely lost.
я☣в 6 minutes ago
Yet China is burning coal like no tomorrow so nothing changes except for us paying 500% more in energy costs stateside as designed - next.
MaleChauvinistPig 12 minutes ago
The article talks about the local economy being hurt. It is not about that. It is about the electricity prices that are going to go up and I mean way way up!! That part of the economy is going to be hit the hardest. China and other countries will still buy our coal.
Cato 13 hours ago
It seems the headline is implying that Surprise! Coal won the war on coal. Then you read the article and can see that low income people, coal workers, and states dependent on coal for jobs and taxes are the real losers.
"Surging renewables build and coal retirements have not triggered a dramatic leap in retail power prices,'' the council said in a report this month. "Year on year, retail rates in 2015 fell 1.3 percent in real terms, even as real GDP grew by 2.4 percent."
This statement is only true because of FRACing and the abundant natural gas it produced. None of the power companies have taken any steps to convert to wind or solar pending the outcome of the court cases. They wouldn't have had time yet to build that infrastructure anyway. But they are going to their regulators now, asking for rate increases that will punish the poor, "just in case" the courts don't rule in their favor and Hillary or Rubio becomes President.
JT 14 hours ago
In 5 years check your electrical bill and then tell me who lost. Wealthy California tree huggers have never faced a Michigan winter.
Dahun 13 hours ago
Wind and solar require back-up when they do not produce power. This is 75% of the time for wind. The back-up has to be idling the 25% of the time and has to ramp up quickly due to the rapid fluctuations of wind (or solar). This requires the use of inefficient natural gas power plants that have an efficiency about 20% less than modern co-generation natural gas power plants.
Taking all this into consideration and not even factoring in the waste involved in building redundant power sources wind wastes natural gas and the combined and required coupling of wind or solar with obsolete power plants causes more natural gas to be burned than if a modern, clean natural gas power plant were used. More CO2 is produced as well.
Wind and solar are unaffordable, unworkable and increase pollution and electricity costs. They have no redeeming value. They are only useful to politicians and for enriching their friends increasing government corruption throughout Federal, state and city governments.
Kirk H 13 hours ago
ReplyDeleteThe existing set of standards in place are already placing energy companies into a position of building natural gas plants. Why the EPA believes they must force this to happen faster is beyond reason. The transition has begun. Nuke energy and Natural Gas are the future. Any power company understands that. If you force higher standards in place you are actually imposing higher cost of living onto all citizens through higher utility bills. My utility bills are at the edge of reasonable at this moment. Make the billing spike due to EPA rules and food is where I must make choices, as electricity is kinda important to a teenage girl lifestyle and I'm not going to tell my daughter that she can't blow dry her hair.
don 10 hours ago
We lost....Pres Obama is not promoting nuclear power, which means that coal will be replaced by Natural Gas, which has it's own set of problems. Forget wind and solar. They can provide a small percentage of America's energy, not enough to replace coal, which is significantly cheaper. GW advocates will lose too, as coal that isn't used domestically will be exported and burned elsewhere.
dang 12 hours ago
It is all well and good as long as it doesn't create large amounts of irreplaceable job loss or financial devastation to entire areas of the country. In which case we have not heard the last of it.
Paul 14 hours ago
In reality, this 34 percent junk is in error....coal actually accounts for 50 plus percent of electric generation in our Country. But, other forms of energy are NOT realistic and not efficient (I've tried with solar for years with zero success). Still, we are going to cut out coal (we, the cleanest with it on Earth). Hmmmm, too bad as China, India, and Russia (and Russia has had coal mining since the very early 1900s) are moving forward full speed with coal, gas, oil, whatever.
Vince 13 hours ago
Since when does the Constitution of the United States empower a president to go out and singlehandedly destroy an industry? When? Where is that written in as a power in the Constitution? Show it to me.
You can't because it is NOT there.
DeadMeat 10 hours ago
'War on coal' is long over, and guess who lost? - By Tim Mullaney, special to CNBC
What a load of Obama Apologist rubbish! Obama's war on coal has cost America tens of thousands of high paying "Blue Collar" jobs over the past 7 years. Those workers have then been forced, as this article only reluctantly points out, to take low paying "Service sector" jobs (i.e., Wallymart, McDonny's, et cetera). Quite often, those workers have also been forced on to government assistance ( a large and significant percentage which the Obama apologist, corporate journalist, Mullaney avoids mentioning).
Communities which have had to transition their coal fired plants to natural gas have faced significant cost increases which has their energy bills risisng by as much as 200%. Mullaney glosses over this inconvenient fact by resorting to the trickery of averaging those regional increases with utility costs from regions which have little reliance on coal energy. Conveniently, the Obama apologist Mullaney touts the currently low cost of Natural Gas, but fails to mention that the current rates are do to Fracking, which the Obama Administration has always opposed and which they are still trying to undermine.
Socio-fascists, like Obama and Mullaney, really have no ethics when it comes to humanity : they have an agenda and and a narrative. They will select data to support their position and dismiss data which does not in order to sell their lies. They are committed to having a society based on total Executive Authority (sometimes called a Dictatorship, or Tyranny) and a stratified society of Have's and Have Not's, so they can rule through Polarization and Class Tensions (Divide and Conquer).
Nailer 12 hours ago
ReplyDeleteIt is ironic that the liberals who pushed for this clean energy never talk about what it takes to build, transport, or erect their little windmills. Facts are all of the materials to build one of these has to be mined from the ground. The steel has to be manufactured and tons of coke which is made of coal are used to heat the steel. While mining the iron, copper, and other elements explosives are used along side large land moving equipment. Once the parts are ready they must be trucked to the state they are being erected. In West Virginia the Greenbrier wind farm is on top of a mountain ridge in the middle of no where. They cut large areas of trees and trucked in concrete for the base. Then they had to truck these section up the mountain and use a sky crane helicopter to lift them into place. A study was done and even if these units ran at peak operation each year they would never produce enough power to make up for the carbon that was released in their manufacturing, transportation, and erection. The one thing that would have reduced carbon were the trees but many of them were cut and burned to make way for the liberal dream.
Then we have the great solar plant that was built on the CA and NV state line was what the liberals told us we needed so they built it. Of course the environmental loons filed suit to stop it because it was desert tortoise habitat which apparently was more important than global warming that they scream about year round. After it was built we found out that it is not as good at producing power as they claimed but it kills thousands of birds who fly through the field around the plant. They are pulled there following insects who are attracted to the bright light or by animals such as rabbits who use the shade during the day. As soon as they fly through the beams of light they burst into flames. Ahhh progress. As it was once said the road to hell is paved with good intentions and it seems that we have one hell of a liberal paving crew.
King Obama The Golfer 4 hours ago
Absurd, we are the only country to mandate shuttering the coal industry. Emissions can be controlled to a very manageable point. I just love it when an article comes out with a stack emitting a big steam cloud of water vapor stating how bad coal is. Solar panels produce tomorrows carcinogens, Cadmium telluride, lead, mercury, hydrochloric acid, nitrogen triflouride which a potent greenhouse gas... The SVTC estimates that 1.5 billion pounds of solar panel waste containing 2 million pounds of lead and 600,000 pounds of cadmium will be disposed of in California alone! There is a green glow all around this "green" energy!
Callen D 13 hours ago
A more stupid, gullible and misinformed group of people I have never seen, than liberals and progressives who believe all of the propaganda they are spoon fed by our mainstream media. JUST WOW! Good thing all of those union bosses all but forced those brave and hard working coal miners to vote for the man who would attack, and outright attempt to extinct, their very way of life and the jobs that have supported their families for generations, convincing them that Obama was good for America. Keep pulling that Dem lever, MORONS! And while China and many other nations around the globe not only kick our @&$E$ in the trade game, and continue to do NOTHING to assist in the effort to fix the myth that is global warming, cooling or climate change (or whatever they are calling their hoax this week, to steal money from us all, and exercise ever increasing amounts of power and control over us), but as they also TAKE "OUR MONEY" FROM OUR U.S. TAX DOLLARS, THAT OBAMA THE TRAITOR AND AMERICA HATING ENEMY THAT HE IS, GIVES THEM OUT OF OUR POCKETS, TO ALLEGEDLY HELP THEM FIX "THE PROBLEM".
ben 1 day ago
ReplyDeleteWhat a broad based assumption. To change over from coal to any thing will cost billions. I like the idea of nuclear plants but they are not cheap and a lot of people don't want them. Wind energy might be cheap to run but it takes hundreds of acres to put those ugly windmills some where and the cost is very high. I don't think solar is doable for any large city such as Chicago. Again the building of such plants are almost cost prohibitive. Remember we are not talking about 3 or 4 plants but many hundreds. If the company has to pay for them who will get the bill. Yes the users. So prices will not go down but up.
russell 1 day ago
see, this where the King has it wrong, along with so many of his predecessors. all of these govt
agencies are completely unconstitutional. they always have been. they are implementing law through regulation. not through congress. and what do our beloved representatives or states do about this? nothing. the states need to re-assume their rightful role to we the people, along with our reps.
John 19 hours ago
obama does not believe what he says himself its all designed to make Americans dependent on big/his government . As Charles Krauthamer said watch what obama does not what he says obama wants to stack the Supreme Court in the liberal favor , even if he nominates a Republican. With scalia the votes were 5-4 to hold off on the obama climate change plan . He barely kept the obama health care plan with a 5-4 approval. guess again if do not think the Supreme Court is not political . even on constitution issues , second amendment , marriage , privacy religious liberty are in the balance . obama made a statement that the people will decide on his nomination . explain that one . However the people will decide this election . but once the nomination is approved determines the political direction of Under obama the country has never been so divided.
Allen B 18 hours ago
Demoncrat policies begining with Clinton and furthered by oblamo have destroyed the middle class American workforce by eliminating coal related industry jobs in America and rewarding major companies for moving manufacturing to Mexico, China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan. It is hard to understand how the unions continue to side with people who are destroying our ability to earn a living in America and even more confusing on how people impacted by these unAmerican policies continue to vote demoncratic. As Forest Gump says, "Stupid is as Stupid does" and as Jeff Foxworthy comments, "You can't fix Stupid."
M 22 hours ago
The manipulation of numbers is the only way "alternative energy sources" can ever make sense. If you calculate the actual cost of the complete infrastructure that we would need to run on alternatives it is overwhelming. Right now, areas that have made significant change over to wind and solar can crow all they want, but, they only succeed because somewhere a conventional source of energy exists when the alternatives can't keep up. That is always lost on the loony left. To be really dependable--as dependable as our economy needs--there will always be a need to have conventional back ups. That back up may turn into nuclear at some time. However, creating it if we choose, will more than double electricity rates over the next 20 years. Remember-when the wind don't blow and the sun don't shine we still have to work!
Pilgrim 1 day ago
ReplyDeleteif you look at the growth in electricity demand from 1985-2011, on average electricity demand globally increased by 450 terawatt hrs.. that is 450 trillion watt hours.....if you just wanted to supply the incremental demand of that 450 terawatt hours per year, you would have to cover a land area of about 100 square miles EVERYDAY, with NOTHING but wind turbines.
Charles S 16 hours ago
"Once the panels are constructed, the cold, hard reality of solar energy's 33% efficiency shines as hot as the midday sun. One can clearly see the massive government subsides required to keep solar plants operating while never achieving anywhere near breakeven return on investment. Environmentalists still proudly promote the green advantages of solar while glossing over the facts:
Solar projects include a natural gas generation system to supplement the grid when the sun doesn't shine.
Solar turbines require the same amount of water as a thousand households to run.
Solar arrays have a huge footprint -- over five square miles of habitat to power 140,000 homes."
Dahun 1 day ago
The Obama administration has forced coal fired plants to invest tens of billions into technology to scrub all pollutants from flue gas at plants across the country. Obama has now, without any authorization from Congress instituted impossible rules restricting the completely harmless and necessary for life gas, carbon dioxide.
The result is to shift jobs out of the country and greatly increased real pollution from countries that have no environmental controls at all and spew billions of tons of real pollution into the atmosphere yearly.
Obama's policies are politically motivated and are destructive to the economy and to clean air.
LC INTERIORS INC. 1 day ago
This no good SOB, does he consult with the head's of the coal industry, which is booming around the world, they have plants the burn cleaner than anyone in this BS"er administration will tell you, they burn so clean they even catch the carbon Mon from getting into the air, this is all a BS ploy for the billions being made by some in alternative energy field, well solar and wind are not the answer , in fact if not for gov't money kick backs no one could afford the product, some alternative ?
Kylie 1 day ago
Well this country has killed thousands of jobs and destroyed a big part of our electrical infrastructure because "Co2 caused "global warming" may or may not be real.
WM 15 hours ago
It is hard to believe that we cannot create the technology to capture all of the solid and gas pollutant from burning coal. The byproduct of burning coal may even be valuable for other processes. We have the coal, why not figure out how to use it to our advantage ?
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JAMES 14 hours ago
We already have the technology and a lot of the byproducts from burning coal are being used. For example fly ash is used in concrete and in road building. the problem is politics not technology.
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The technology is there , but it doesn't fill out the EPA's paper work the way they want so they wont look at it. North Dakota has an example of this in the Great Plains Coal Gasification Plant, no this is not an electrical power generation plant but it has developed technology to pull and store CO2 from the process of turning lignite coal into natural gas, this technology can be applied to power generating plants but the EPA doesn't want to deal with it.
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what about coal liquifaction? it has been around since WW2. we would definetly be energy independent then
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Yes the economic impact is minor right?? Tell that to all the coal miners who've lost their jobs and have no prospects. Tell that to the railroad workers laid off at Norfolk Southern and CSX (just to name a few) due to drastically reduced train traffic. Hint... both CSX and N/S major source of revenue for decades has been coal hauling... The of course the trickle down economics that impacts the communities where these coal miners and railroad workers live. Yes, nationally, the impact has been miner. But check the impact on southeastern Ohio and West Virginia and Pennsylvania and other areas where coal was king...
fun 23 hours ago
THE AGW TAX IS BECAUSE:
The DemoniKKK-rat Communist Party are running out of Other Peoples' Money to steal.
They will be coming for your RETIREMENT accounts NEXT.
I GUARAN DAMN TEE IT
Margaret Thatcher: "Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money."
Like a PONZI SCHEME
POVERTY FOR ALL, the communist manifesto.
Winston Churchill: "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
STOP VOTING FOR THE PUCKING DemoniKKK-rat Communist Party DOLTS
yahoo headline {Communist Party USA Chairman Vows Cooperation With Democratic Party}
From Webster's dictionary: so·cial·ism: {a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism.}
Marx's theory - Wikipedia {Marx explained that socialism is the first stage of communism}
'socialism' and 'communism' interchangeably
READ: worldsocialism [Lenin Twists Marxism]
[Marx and Engels, as anyone who has read their writings knows, used the terms 'socialism' and 'communism' interchangeably to describe what they stood for. They did not think of them as separate systems of society but merely as different names for a system based on the social or common ownership of the means of production. ]
READ: nyu [Marx's Vision of Communism: The First Stage]
[I will limit myself to outlining Marx's vision of socialism, or the first stage of communism.]
NEVER vote for the DemoniKKK-rat Communist Party, NEVER.
fun 23 hours ago
ReplyDeleteThe DemoniKKK-rat Communist Party sounds like:
C.S. Lewis: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Dahun 1 day ago
Only the remarkably uninformed or dishonest repeat the '97% propaganda which has been disproven dozens of times as a lie construed by a climate alarmist blogger. 100% of scientists realize carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas that contributes to keeping the earth warm. A very small percentage of scientists claim this warming is anything but a miniscule contribution to warming and virtually none sign on to the dire predictions of alarmists and liberal politicians trying to protect their profiteering from this scam.
keith 1 day ago
Those scientist rely on GOVERNMENT GRANTS to pay their bills. They program computer models with the data that will show global warming oops I mean climate change since there has been no warming for the past 20 years. If these scientist didn't come up with so called facts that agree with Obama and his cronies, they would all be looking for jobs. Can you say Al Gore?
John 23 hours ago
obama's climate control plan was halted by Justice Scalia.5-4 vote Now obama sees victory if he can stack the court with another liberal The supreme court justices follow political lines with Roberts the sometimes swing vote , he allowed obama care to continue as a tax. obama states the American people want him to recommend a Scalia replacement that he states will have impeccable qualifications. By who's standard, obama is concerned with climate control rather than the economy , Thats what the American people want. better economy. however obama was never concerned with the US economy , Refused the keystone pipeline , his health care plan limits employment to 30 hours for the company not to provide health care. over taxing small business with complicated regulations.The only explanation is that obama crafted his plan for more dependency on the government , geared to big Government and a Totalitarian regime .that controls the majority by dependency. look what that has done to the debt.
V.G. 12 hours ago
Low income & Middle class America lost, but Obama never gave a #$%$ about them anyway.
Glenn 1 day ago
If you expect Natural gas to stay at current prices you are on something. Wind and Solar Power require a lot of land and I the case of solar that land must be cleared. Then there is the need to build power lines that can reach where you build the wind Farms and the solar farms. I like solar and wind but I also know that we need coal. Coal Fired Plants can produce more power in a lot less area than solar or wind. Best would be plants that burn both coal and Natural gas so that they reach hotter Temperatures as everyone knows the hotter the fire the less smoke.
Robert 12 hours ago
ReplyDeleteScalia's last vote on coal, may have been the one that had him killed. There's a large contingency of countries with the US as first, that stand to create a vast amt. of money from all peoples being taxed for their pollution. After all how can the Obama administration continue spending record amounts of taxpayers money. Soon we'll hear a proposal to tax the rain. Truth is stranger than fiction.
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They already tax the rain in Maryland.
Commenter 1 day ago
What a 'propaganda' piece! Ask yourself, has my electric bill go up.....other than oil based energy, is 'renewable' energy becoming more common?
If you have been paying any attention to 'renewable energy' production, you would see that the 'incentives' that were enacted by the Bush Administration were allowed to 'expire' by Obama!
Due to action by the (Republican) Congress have portions been temporarily reinstated!
People who pay attention see that Obama only gives 'lip service' to 'renewable energy' or supports 'producers' when there is political or monetary gain to be had!
JP 15 hours ago
Electricity in my area has gone up over 30 percent the past few years. To me, this type of article is just propaganda.
Donald 23 hours ago
The liberals and the environmental wackos would like to take credit for a reduction in a needed gas, CO2, but they can't.
The reduction comes from the brilliant people that run the oil and gas companies of America. The low prices we our all enjoying is also because of these great companies.
Not only the lower levels of CO2 how about all the ash that we are not dealing with because natural gas has none.
Wind mills, ethanol and solar power are only around because of stupid government policies that subsidizes their use. Get rid of the subsidizes and they go away.
America's free enterprise system and the genius of the American people solves problems not government. Government perpetuates and creates more problems with their mandates and regulations.
Mark 23 hours ago
Really folks!!! Lost industry, lost jobs, trillions of subsidies from our pockets to buy, build and repair unsightly wind mills and solar panels. Freight traffic is down in America because of it. This affects the Rail business which affects more jobs. So goes the rail business so goes the economy. Watch what happens when commodities are not at their peak. This man is a global terrorist. Global warming is a natural occurring phenomena just like earth quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, heat, rain, snow, volcanoes. The Earth cools as well and there is proof of this as far back as man has tried to monitor it. When utilities spend money on Capital improvements they lobby the utility commission to raise your rates to offset the cost. The only reason the cost has slowed down is because of the subsidy payments from the Government who has no money but yours. Do you really think your utility company paid for this outrageous cost to save you money. This will be in part the cause of the collapse of the economy of this country and the deficit spending will continue until no one will be willing to lend us money. Windmills and solar energy can not run American cities it will take nuclear and coal generated plants running massive turbines to do so. Oh! most of you don't know that. Coal is used to turn turbine generators that produce the electricity just like locomotives use diesel engines to turn electric generators for their traction power. Might want to get educated instead of spouting off talking points from a tyrant.
Mark 23 hours ago
ReplyDeleteTHB this does not come without a price. Utilities are directly paid by the consumer. These utilities are not doing this for good exercise. They have to and will raise prices to pay for the construction and cost of dismantling and building new plants. That's how it works! I know this for a fact. What do you know about it? Cap costs are always used to raise utility pricing, it has nothing to do with the cost of natural gas dude.
Phantom Guard 1 day ago
So what has been the result on the literal destruction of the smoke stack industries a declining middle class, stagnant wages and the dominance of minimum wage service sector jobs.
jack 11 hours ago
These criminals in our white house need to be arrested. And anyone in the epa that willingly enforces these overreaching mandates should be held as accomplices to these crimes!
Don 21 hours ago
I don't know about you people, but if the political machine and the coal companies would take the money spent on legal battles and concentrate on scrubbing coal emissions free of pollutants, we could keep electricity affordable. Solar and wind is find, but be prepared to see your electric bill triple or more. We can do better than this
MaleChauvinistPig 12 hours ago
"the economic cost of the transition away from coal-fired electricity is fairly modest."
I would say so. It is not going to be modest it is going to be disastrous. All you have to do is look at Spain when they did just that! There economy still has not recovered and unemployment is way over 15%!! You want to destroy the US you get rid of coal.
R 1 day ago
I believe the article is misrepresenting the numbers. It mentions that coal jobs are a small percentage of the overall states employment numbers. However, there are large areas of each of these states where coal is the main industry. The article also fails to include the thousands of jobs that have been lost from industries that support the mines. For every miner there are probably 10+ jobs in other industries that support the mines. Each time a mine is shut down, not only do the miners lose their jobs but jobs on the supplier side are also affected. Obama's war on coal has had a devastating effect on my home town in VA. Unless you work for the local government you are either unemployed or under-employed. This also brings about a whole list of other issues. Everything from drug abuse to max exodus of the areas which magnifies the problem.
fun 21 hours ago
STEP 1: Create a NONEXISTENT problem. CHECK
STEP 2: Demand taxes to solve the NONEXISTENT problem. CHECK
STEP 3: Shut down all debate & criticism of the NONEXISTENT problem. CHECK
STEP 4: Refuse all FOI requests on the NONEXISTENT problem. CHECK
STEP 5: Pretend to be solving the NONEXISTENT problem. CHECK
STEP 6: Refer to observant people as "deniers" of this NONEXISTENT problem. CHECK
STEP 7: Use SCARE TACTICS to keep people in fear of doing nothing. CHECK
STEP 8: Cancel all the grants of any 'scientist' who disagrees creating the allusions of unanimity of thought for the NONEXISTENT problem. CHECK
STEP 9: Pocket the scam money of this NONEXISTENT problem. CHECK
coalboy84 12 hours ago
ReplyDeleteThis article is the biggest lie I've read on YAHOO tonight. Electric bills are falling, mine is up almost 15% this year. EPA, tree huggers, alarmists AND Obama are full of s--t.
Doug 14 hours ago
It was hard for me to get into this story past the point where the EPA was mentioned. They are, without a doubt, a socialist and in-American extension of the socialist, Muslim that sadly occupies our White House. Their so.e purpose is to advance the sickening agenda of obama. The whole department should be eliminated.
John 3 16 hours ago
Interesting article. I am surprised though that there is no mention of the industry and employment for Wyoming, the largest producer and supplier of coal in the U.S, and a state with nearly zero industry to absorb the unemployed. Pretty much the omission shows a lack of writing and investigation skills in my opinion.
Obama said people were going to pay less for insurance under Obamacare which was a lie.People will be paying way more for energy not less which is another freaking lie from the world's biggest liar. It won't help the planet at all,not even a smidgen.Impeach the lying Fuhrer.
RON 14 hours ago
transition away from coal-fired electricity is fairly modest. That is the biggest lie ever printed. Wait in till power plants go to natural gas then every one can cry there eyes out on how much there electricity is costing.
TRAVELR2 1 day ago
What about the off shoot jobs? Railroads are currently laying off thousands of employees because they are not transporting coal anymore.
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Stephen P 16 hours ago
" Coal accounted for just 34 percent of U.S. electricity generation last year"
JUST 34 PERCENT??? That is a third, you morons. And if that is reduced more with nothing viable to replace it (of which there is not), it will impact deliver to customers.
Jake 18 hours ago
I lost my job as a coal miner. Went from $80k/yr and being home every night to see my family to being away all week to make $50k/yr. A lot of the arguments about coal are valid but you don't regulate an industry into oblivion without creating replacement jobs first. If any of the other sources of power had half of the regulations coal does they couldn't compete at all. Hell solar and wind are government subsidized. Fair playing field? Not at all
MICHAEL 1 day ago
ReplyDeleteAs so many times in the past the socialists instead of allowing market forces to dictate change attempt to force change again. Coal use would wane simply by allowing natural gas to take over, instead the socialists (most likely to line their pockets) are forcing the industry to change faster thus leading us down a path that will probably be wrong. Wind and solar are not going to be the solution, they are way to ineffective and costly. If we kept what we produce natural gas would be good along with coal and nuclear, but global greed and a lack of nationalism won't allow for it.
Kevin 21 hours ago
We do not need to kill oil or coal, period.
Petroleum is imbedded into everything we use, eat, make, etc., and simply can not be substituted. If you like to eat, then you need petroleum.
Our world is also equally dependent on electricity, and coal is the only economically viable fuel for producing base load power.
OVER TAXED 16 hours ago
This story is a bigger pile of horseshit then the piles of coal themselves. Obama continues his attack on America, and a #$%$ story like this from the far leftwing CNBC. To bad CNBC can't print story about the real stories, such the corruption of the Obama administration and its group of fools living off of it.
Richard3 17 hours ago
Barry wants to cause massive economic disaster on the false narrative of "global warming" while other countries are importing coal at record numbers. Is it 2017 yet?
Michael 1 day ago
The working class is the people who are getting screwed PERIOD Environmentalist wackjobs are killing the middle class. They care more about some snake than a human being eating.
Jerry M 18 hours ago
Coal is cheap, it is plentiful, and it is a USA resource, only a dimwit would want to burn less coal.
Anonymous
Agreed. Coal is a God-given resource. He put it here for us to use. It is essential for us to maintain our standard of living. The environmental extremists view main as a cancer on earth. They worship the creation rather than the Creator.
LarryW 4 hours ago
ReplyDeleteI live in North Texas and have been a life long Republican but the election of Obama did something strange to my fellow party members here. A den of vipers the likes of no prediction was released and we are just now fully catching the brunt of it. This nonsense is trickling down to even precinct, justice of the peace politics. Decency and treating others with respect is seen as the biggest form of weakness. Only those candidates who proselytize the most hardline views stand a chance. Most of these folks literally joined a church within the last few years and they have embarrassed Christian's immensely in the process. I have even been questioned in my own church, in which I've been a member of over 30 years for handing out coats to Hispanic beggars. Let me be clear, I don't believe that liberal democrats are any better, but it is embarrassing to see what I thought I was fighting for be destroyed from within. If Jesus were in the flesh today all the candidates for president (Democrat and Republicans) would be itching to nail him upon the cross again.
zero cred 3 hours ago
I served before the rise of the mercenary as used by our government today. Things today seem more corrupt. I wonder about anyone who starts a mercenary organization. We need to look at the role of mercenaries, and how their use undermines the integrity of the military. Kyle was a mercenary. I& #39;m not 100% OK with that. A merc isn't constrained by the same oath as military personnel, which is why corrupt military commanders liberally use mercs to do the dirty work.
Free 34 minutes ago
The hate from you leftie commenters says it all about the democrat party. Liberal is no longer a correct description for you intolerant progressives. I'm independent, and see much more hate from the left than the right. Disgusting, and very bad for the country. Obama referred to Republicans as " your enemies" in a speech to LaRaza in 2011. Never in my many years have I heard a president refer to other Americans as the enemy. The attitude of the country starts at the top.
jeanette 3 hours ago
I have been used by the CIA. the CIA and its equivalent and/or paramilitary/ ex military fanatics that "protect" those ex military "contractors" who may have been CIA officers at one time, use people. things are to be used. people are to be respected and never used for your dirty work. CIA is rotten. so far, two on my list of rottenness: SEAL community, CIA. Compare them to our u.s. constitution, declaration of independence, and bill of rights. these men and women #$%$ all over it. that's why I despise them. I will warn you about the SEAL community. navy SEALs are rotten to their core. they think they can do anything they want and defame anyone at anytime and hide behind sympathetic law enforcement types. they engage in incest relationships with everyone, thinking they can do whatever, whenever, and law enforcement will protect them. many police officers and FBI are former marines. how close are SEALs to marines? all incest, all the time. marcus lutrell will be sued.
Folks with wholesome backgrounds and personal integrity should avoid the corrupting influence of politics; the association is irreversibly detrimental.
Rick 1 day ago
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Totally one-sided story. Might as well be written by a staffer at the White House. And the media wonders why no one listens to them any more.
Debra 1 day ago
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Another example of the media being the propaganda arm of the administration, sad that we now have ideologues that put party before their professional integrity.
Steve 23 hours ago
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Obama is trying to take credit for low oil prices. The fact is, he had nothing to do with it. The genius behind the low prices has to do with the oil cartels fighting over production, a worldwide glut, and oil companies developing better fuel products, amongst a myriad of other things going on around the world.
Karl 1 day ago
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The EPA should never have the power to put companies out of business without due process. Sad but the FACT is the EPA has been turned into a weapon targeting companies that are now "unfashionable" to extremely wealthy environmentalists. In The next decade some other source of energy will fall into the same category and these wealthy fools will "legislate" it out of existence not based on science but on the fashion trend of the day. Those shoes look sooo 60's get them out of here. Sad but completely true...
Isitoveryet 22 hours ago
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We are still paying for the upgrades the EPA mandated be made to existing coal fired plants. Now they are mandating those plants be shut down. Therefore we get to pay for something we can't use and build something else that won't work. Just more government chaos and waste at the people's expense.
Tom 1 day ago
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What planet does this author live on," electrical rates rose only 1.2% in 2014 and are falling in 2015". WOW, what a whopper, my rates have gone up over 25% since 2005, and I have NEVER experienced falling rates. AM I THE ONLY ONE ?
Ron 15 hours ago
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Losers thousands of Americas that worked in the coal industry lost not to mention the people will pay higher prices.
Gordon D 21 hours ago
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'War on coal' is long over, and guess who lost? The American people.
Bruce 23 hours ago
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And my electric co-op has already advised it's members to expect "significant" rate increases because of this. Kind of like we had with health insurance costs. Once again, thank you Obama for making America a more expensive place to live. Can't wait for you and your socialist agenda to exit the White House.
William 1 day ago
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The American working taxpayers lost. The Un/NWO/dirtbag-political-class gets the money and leave us with the subsidy of alternatives that are NOT viable while they split up the loot and pretend they're the only answer to save us from catastrophe. Modern nuclear energy is the only currently viable alternative to fossil fuels (except water power) the might significantly reduce emissions. The build another manufacturing facility in communist china and just add a few more smokestacks. Filthy-rat-bustards. ALL of them.
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The war on coal.. is the EPA more gov't ..they need to
be redacted! There is nothing wrong with using Coal
for electric energy! It is still the cheapest by far.. No one
wants to tell the truth behind solar or Wind that it still
takes energy to produce the products that are used for
wind and solar power.
Did anyone read the section by Peabody Energy?
They laid out the truth for the reader.. those are the facts!
Coal energy is still the cheapest energy and it is used
in the making of steel. Like it or not
I hope all the Libs and capital haters out there will like
living in straw high rises! Just wait when the wind blows!
Remember the story of the three little pigs!
Joe 1 day ago
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who cares how many birds are killed - the delusion of saving the planet is more important.
We can save the coal and burn it in the future. SHame democrats care about the planet but think nothing of burying future generations in debt, astronomical debt.
THis moron is clueless - the climate is always changing, and what is funny is these morons think they can control the weather and the climate. I love a warmer climate... shame these morons refuse to see the benefits. My goal each year is to double my CO2 emissions.
fun 23 hours ago
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THE CO2 POLLUTANT. ROTFLMAO
CO2 IS NOT A POLLUTANT, NO MORE THAN WATER VAPOR IS:
CARBON IS LIFE is the must-read book for everyone concerned with the environment and the wonderful creatures who share it with us. The writer, a trained scientist, shows why carbon dioxide, far from being “pollution”, is actually the essential basis of life on Earth.
WATER VAPOR IS LIFE, NOT A POLLUTANT
CARBON IS LIFE, NOT A POLLUTANT
[Carbon forms the key component for all known life on Earth. Complex molecules are made up of carbon bonded with other elements, especially oxygen, hydrogen and nitrogen, and carbon is able to bond with all of these because of its four valence electrons. Carbon is abundant on earth. It is also lightweight and relatively small in size, making it easier for enzymes to manipulate carbon molecules.]
Carbon-based life - Wikipedia
keith 1 day ago
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America has become a service industry country. Fast foods and nurses aids are the choices most people have for jobs. The US is fast becoming a third world country and the rich still get richer (off our backs).
DanH 19 hours ago
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Just another foolish attempt to write a post-mortem for coal. The price increase slowing is a direct result of decreased use by private citizens who feel a continuing pinch in their pocketbooks and companies who NO LONGER EXIST because of BAD POLICY by the Obama Admin. Once we get a real leader who doesn't relinquish the power of the legislative branch to parts of his administration, ie. the EPA, the coal industry will rise from the ashes.
Dan P 1 day ago
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America lost. We've been losing to this idiotic liberal for 7 years because of weak kneed republicans.
Doran 20 hours ago
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Just the smokey mountains in the Appalachians has enough coal to keep the US powered completely for the next 200 years. Obama is blind as a bat if he doesn't understand the strategic importance of this.
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When Obama launched his war on coal he declared that electricity rates would necessarily go up. The onset of inexpensive natural gas, fortunately, will tend to limit the amount of increase in electricity rates but, they are still going to go up. The cheap natural gas was not part of Obama's plan and if cheap prices had not come along, we would be seeing our electricity bills skyrocket. Obama did not care about electricity prices or the "little" man that must pay them. I suspect he even envisioned a government handout program to pay the little mans bills at the expense of the middle class. Solar and other renewable sources are not economically feasible and won't be for some time. The renewable route is just a pipe dream that environmentalists love to claim as a solution to our energy issues.
Thomas K 1 day ago
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More facts and less slant would have been nice. He casually says electricity prices dropped in 2015. Well Yeah because the glut of energy sources rose. When that turns around electricity prices will rise again. But that didn't fit the authors agenda.
peekaboo 1 day ago
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All the wasted $$$ for bank bailouts, auto bailouts, housing bailouts, qe1,2,3,4, I have said fo many years now, if that money would have been sent directly to the taxpayers, our economy wouldn't be so f#$%ed right now. Home mortgage bailout: if homeowners would have gotten a check of say 75k towards paying off their mortgage, think of all the extra money that would have been put back into the economy....from the bottom up. Even if the person would have blown that money on something else, it would have been a bottom up shot in the arm for the economy. Too litle time and space here to go further...
Rock 1 day ago
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When our educational system teaches kids what to think rather than how to think, is it any wonder we are still talking about coal?
007 18 hours ago
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John 1 day ago
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The EPA and this Gina McCarthy is ruining this country. These Democrats and the EPA are responsible for sending endless amounts of jobs out of the country. They will not be happy until all of the middle class quits their jobs and sits back and lets the government programs support them. And then who will pay the taxes and support the government programs. It's a no win situation. Open your eyes Dems.
Blen Geck 1 day ago
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The coal to gasoline converters are almost ready. Super clean burning, 99.999% sulfur free synthetic gasoline. Guess who has the largest, or very close to the largest, coal reserves on the planet. Why do you think the rockerfellers divested ALL of their oil interests starting in july 2014?
ordinaryguy 1 day ago
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Freeman 1 day ago
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Cost for coal fired electricity will not climb when oil and natural gas rebound near as much as the cost of the electricity from the natural gas fired plants.
When natural gas gets to $4 again---and it will---I suspect we will all miss the cheaper coal produced electricity.
Kylie 1 day ago
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These liberal mental midgets are going to skyrocket your electricity. The EPA runs unchecked destroying of only our energy infrastructure but they put the stamp of approval on Flint and allowed the Colorado River to turn orange with toxic chemicals. So eff the EPA.
James 1 day ago
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Democrats love killing business but love handing out welfare and then they wonder where the middle class went?? Well you either regulated it out of business or taxed it out of business or out of the country. Too bad many American care more about an illegal Mexicans feeling over the health of the country.
Tommy 1 day ago
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Thank liberals for giving Europe and Asia the ability to produce products cheaper than we can and cause more Americans to living in poverty. Liberals must enjoy to see the American people suffer and to live under their thumb. Thanks liberals for bring education down so we cannot create something to cleanup coal.
Ken G 1 day ago
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that poor fool obama and his co conspirators, they dont give a dang about our environment or us, so they shut down every form of production in the states due to thousands of regulations and taxes, all in the name of clean air, I get that there needs to be standards, but when you shut down factories here, the products are then made in china and china has no standards for clean air, so in the end we lose the jobs and breath chinas exhaust, there has been an environmental impact fee on welding rods for many years, I have yet to see the huge machine that sucks the smoke from welding out of the air, no telling what they do with that money, it isnt like your going to use less welding rods than before, you have to use what you have to use or the product will fail, it is extortion plain and simple. It is also very disturbing that no one ever mentions the poisonous pollutants, like the mountain of toxic waste left over from making all these so called green products.
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34% of power generation is coal, that is more than 1/3 and its the biggest piece of the pie. So in the government's infinite wisdom lets go after the biggest and most important part of our electric supply. Natural gas may be cheap and plentiful now its low price has put drillers out of business so the price will be going up soon. Wind and solar work because we have coal plants to cover for them when the wind stops blowing and the sun goes behind the clods or down.
Freeman 1 day ago
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I wonder if the EPA will now go after the fracking industry that gave them the cheap natural gas that minimized the impact of their massive attack on coal on voters?
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This article is terribly misleading. The only reason electricity rates have not gone up significantly is that the move away from coal did not mean a move to "renewables". The move has been toward natural gas produced through fracking. If the move had been to "renewables" as Obama and the enviro-nuts wanted, the electricity rates would have skyrocketed without more major government subsidies. If the enviro-nuts get their way and manage to kill fracking, hold on to your pocketbook, we eill all pay.
J.E.M 1 day ago
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Who lost is the American people. Numbers do not lie avg salary in the coal industry $55,000. Avg Salary in the solar and wind industry $48,000. A lot more folks lost jobs in coal then was gain in renewables. Now couple that with the lack of an energy policy and the job losses in the oil and gas industry. Along with the lack of modernization of the power grid. The fact is American people are going to get screwed with brown outs and $12.00 a gal gas in the 2020's. Be prepared.
Commenter 1 day ago
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We saw a 30% increase in our electric bill and a 50% increase in our health insurance. This article is erroneous to put it mildly.
trap shooter 1 day ago
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Wake up America, we have shut down our coal burning plants, we are selling the coal a loss to china, china burns the coal in plants that allow much more pollution into the air then ours do, Trump IS right, China is laughing all the way to the bank while we borrow money from them!
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If renewables can make it in a free market... sans government subsidies or punitive enforcement of alternatives... then power to them. What Obama is doing is killing innovation, not creating innovation. But he is too stupid to realize that.
Garlan 1 day ago
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Obama and clueless liberals fought the natural gas boom and now want to claim credit for it. Typical spin
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So how would the industry be helped by the congress affirming another radical to the supreme court ? A 4-4 tie does not hurt the industry anymore than a 5-4 loss. Allowing another obama radical non constitution originalist judge only cements the destruction of the rest of the constitution and the country.
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Wait until they completely remove oil and coal...then they can manipulate the PRICES anytime they want to. An unstable energy bill to consumers is another FORM of Control. The USA is Doomed. Our Government have Sold us OUT. Its just a matter of TIME.
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Coal has made great strides in being cleaner fuel. It is unprecedented that a president has targeted an industry to meet its demise. With no care of f the results it inflicts on Americans.
On2Em 1 day ago
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Why can't people see that this is just agenda 21? Forcing hardships on people from ranching to mining to anything that can be used for independent survival, forcing people to a life of government dependency & control.
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Peabody got it right, the ripple effect of shutting down coal use is off the charts. We are not just talking about miners. It looks like we would ship the coal to China and let them burn it in plants that do not burn as clean as ours. This is a really bad idea, our fearless leader trying once again to make us a 3rd world country. Time to stand up and say no.
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What's going to happen when NGas prices start to skyrocket ( and they will one day ) and the poor and elderly have to choose between food or heat..Will people remember that it was Obama and the left wing radical EPA that caused their grandmother to freeze to death ?
I Eat My Grubers 1 day ago
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The agenda of the environmentalists is to take energy away from the masses by ensuring that it costs a lot.
daniel 16 hours ago
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The Climate is changing but Man has no effect on that change. 5 major ice ages and dozens of minor ones that can be documented and the last was just about the time of modern man's arrival on the earth. Obama and all other GW/CC advocates are simply running a power play to gain more control over those that pay the taxes to keep their power in place.
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WHY DO YOU HATE THE WORKING CLASS TAXPAYING POOR?
The ALARMIST want only the RICH to be able to afford to FLY, DRIVE, HEAT HOMES & USE ELECTRICITY, the poor can POUND SAND & DIE.
EXPENSIVE ENERGY WILL KILL BILLIONS.
Terry 1 day ago
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The war should be on the democrats. If it was all up to them no one would have a job and we would all be riding horses to get around and even then they would complain about the manure they drop.
Bill 1 day ago
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My parents switched from fuel oil to natural gas for heating our home in 1962. NG was real cheap then and it saved them quite a bit of money. As more property owners switched to NG it's price began to rise. After 8 years they were receiving bills during the winter months for $200-300 where were hefty sums back then. There's plenty of NG today because the producers are trying to recapture the costs for all the new wells they drilled. Once they accomplish that then they'll reduce the wells' flows to reduce the supply so it's price will rise.
John 1 day ago
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the idealist president makes many statements that are false , stating wind power is less expensive than coal. he is definitely not pragmatic. more like delusional on facts. He now mentions $2 for gasoline when he originally stated he wanted the gas prices to increase so renewable energy would replace oil. Not going to happen .Where doe most of the electric come from to power electric cars, fossil fuel . He also has a habit of stating what the American people believe or want in regard to global warming. . this president claimed obama care would save Americans $2,500 on medical cost instead it has increased triple the $2500 .
As far as obama offering a Scalia replacement . he knows Scalia was the 5 to 4 conservative and the balance of his pie in the sky energy proposal in in the balance. As much as the supreme court should be based on legality it is all political as in recent 5 to 4 decisions. obama with all his verbage strives to make the court 5 to 4 in his favor.. It would be a rubber stamp for all his delirious actions like obama care.
fun 6 hours ago
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CO2 DOES NOT CONTROL THE EARTH'S TEMPERATURE,
CO2 IS CONTROLLED BY TEMPERATURE, JUST LIKE WATER VAPOR.
[It’s true that water vapor is the largest contributor to the Earth’s greenhouse effect. On average, it probably accounts for about 60% of the warming effect. However, water vapor does not control the Earth’s temperature, but is instead controlled by the temperature.]
chuckp 23 hours ago
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My electric bill was $380.00 last month, and I live in a 2,400 feet two story cottage. There is no alternative for coal. Of course liberals hiding away in their Ivory towers are not concerned about this, or issues like 1 in 5 American children starving, Stealing money from the VA, selling unborn fetuses for money, while allowing Islamic terrorist to cross our borders, giving sanctuary city status to known illegal immigrant felons, giving entitlements to illegals who have never worked here. This democrat party is much worse than the one when they fought against civil rights. Obama has reopened racism and prejudice (police, fire fighters, etc). The sad thing is democrats don't even see it, they only care about; FREE STUFF! Martin Luther King Jr., Abraham Lincoln, Jackie Robinson and the rest of us who care, are all proud Republicans!
Dervrak 1 day ago
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What the environmentalist folks don't seem to realize is that the Coal is still be mined (coal production was actually up last year). Now it's just being shipped to power plants in China, so the net result is zero (it's all still being burned and pumped into the same atmosphere, whether that occurs in Missouri or China.)
grant 1 day ago
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The cost to change over from coal is not modest. It is atrociously high. Climate change may or may not be real but the token amounts that we put out are not the cause nor can we stop it. Who is to blame for all the other climate shifts that happened before humans were 'controlling' the climate? Try to find out and then remember no one was there to record the cause or to be the cause
dale 1 day ago
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How can large deposits of anything right in your area that is used for your energy source not be cheaper than building alternative source of energy that haven't even been invented yet ? That sounds soooooo democrat communist idiotic to me.
NorthTower91 1 day ago
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Get ready for an official dictator when Obama looks for any excuse or event to invoke the National Emergency Act. The fact that the "career politicians" haven't removed him from office means that they support him, although they'll scream no in denial. Whatever he doesn't like, he tries to destroy. The coal industry isn't his last stop.
Barney Rubble 1 day ago
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Make no mistake, Obama and his hordes of Marxist/socialists have used the green movement and the strident wailing about the man-made climate change to deliberately cripple our energy companies, especially the US coal industry. Thanks to a deliberate takeover of the EPA by the Democrats, EVERYONE'S electric bills will double at the minimum and likely triple or quadruple. All American industries that rely on electricity, and which ones don't, will NOT be able to compete in global markets unless they move operations to other countries. The Obama/George Soros plan will make our seniors and others unable to pay for basic electricity unless the GOVERNMENT gives out stipends, making more and more people dependent on GOVERNMENT. All would do well to REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER what the Democrats have done to America and the devastation will continue unless Democrats are stopped. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER that EVERY LAST DEMOCRAT running for office totally supports the Obama/Marxist takeover of our lives and reducing America to a third world country. VOTE WISELY NEXT TIME......
Gary 1 day ago
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Obama's war on coal worked here in Kentucky. Obama was successful in turning proud working American men and women into unemployed disgruntled welfare cases.
dale 1 day ago
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This makes as much sense as moving all our Manufacturing Jobs to China, India, messico, and now Cuba. Right back stabbing communist democrat regression dummies ? Thanks a lot.
dale 23 hours ago
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Remember a Unemployed, hungry, cold, shivering, sick, and tired American will quickly sign up to join the Communists wont they? This is the Soviet Union all over again. This time in the USA.
fun 20 hours ago
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[President Dwight Eisenhower “the technological revolution during recent decades.”
Eisenhower went on to say that this revolution thrust scientists and technicians into positions of unprecedented influence. Of this situation, Eisenhower warned: “Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy should itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”]
John 1 day ago
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Coal executives are getting big bonuses for bankrupting their companies and denying pensions and benefits to coal miners. If he is the champion of coal, why did Turtleman kill the bipartisan bill to restore pensions to miners?